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The US evangelicals who believe environmentalism is a 'native evil' | Leo Hickman
[Guardian] (World news and comment from the Guardian | guardian.co.uk)The Cornwall Alliance, a prominent group of religious thinkers in the US, explains why it urges followers to 'resist the Green Dragon'Watching from afar how the environmental debate plays out in the US can be perplexing for many onlookers. Arguably, nowhere is the so-called "culture war" between left and right so heavily fought.What is often not fully absorbed by onlookers, though, is the underlying role that religious doctrine – or "pulpit power" - plays in the environmental debate in the US. ...
The Cornwall Alliance, a prominent group of religious thinkers in the US, explains why it urges followers to 'resist the Green Dragon'
Watching from afar how the environmental debate plays out in the US can be perplexing for many onlookers. Arguably, nowhere is the so-called "culture war" between left and right so heavily fought.
What is often not fully absorbed by onlookers, though, is the underlying role that religious doctrine – or "pulpit power" - plays in the environmental debate in the US. On the one hand, you have the "Creation Care" movement which is prevalent in some quarters of the Christian Church. On the other, particularly among evangelicals, you often see a vitriolic reaction aimed towards environmentalism.
Just last month, a survey of 1,000 Protestant pastors found that 41% strongly disagreed with the statement: "I believe global warming is real and manmade." The survey also found that 52% of the pastors address the issue of the environment with their churches once a year or less, with evangelical pastors speaking less often on the environment than mainline pastors.
When, in 2007, I interviewed the Bishop of London in the midst of his "fast" from flying, I asked him about this issue. He was scornful of evangelicals who "justify and sanctify irresponsible, anti-social behaviour" though a very literal interpretation of the Old Testament's "mythological language".
Much of this debate seems to centre on the interpretation of one of the most contentious verses in the Bible – the so-called Dominion Mandate, or Genesis 1:28:
And God blessed them [Adam and Eve], and God said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the Earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the Earth.
An organisation in the US called the Cornwall Alliance has intentionally and prominently positioned itself at the very heart of this debate. It describes itself as "a coalition of clergy, theologians, religious leaders, scientists, academics, and policy experts committed to bringing a balanced Biblical view of stewardship to the critical issues of environment and development". Its board of advisors features many religious leaders and thinkers, but includes scientists such as the climate sceptic Dr Roy Spencer. Dr. E. Calvin Beisner, its spokesman, is a prominent media figure in the US, appearing on shows such as Fox News' Glenn Beck, where he dispenses his harsh criticism of environmentalism.
To better understand this mindset, I recently approached Beisner with an interview request. He agreed, but said that he wanted me to first read the Cornwall Alliance's latest book called Resisting the Green Dragon: Dominion not Death. Written by James Wanliss, who describes himself as a "Christian physicist", the book is built on the premise that "without doubt one of the greatest threats to society and the church today is the multifaceted environmentalist movement". It's hard to summarise any book in a few sentences, but here are a few snippets to give a flavour of the book's tone:
The Litany of the Green Dragon provides some certainty for people without God, who drift steadily from their rational moorings, and for whom there is an increasing sense of separation anxiety...
We humans are special creatures, in a class of our own, quite separate from, and superior to, trees and animals...
The Green Dragon must die…[There] is no excuse to become befuddled by the noxious Green odors and doctrines emanating from the foul beast...
This slimy jade road…is paved with all kinds of perverted and destructive behaviours, leads to death itself, and finally, to the pains of hell forever…No Hollywood celebrity bunnies draped over its foul form can deny its native evil...
It is no coincidence the rise of environmentalism as a significant political entity tracks the rising political clout of modern feminism...
Savage wolves have come to be among the church…No one can serve two masters...
The first few chapters in the Book of Genesis are an infinite mine to plumb for riches. All the world has no wisdom that is greater...
So-called "natural" or wilderness areas are not hospitable to man, and God does not consider this a good or natural state...
The fruits of the Green Dragon are not good, but evil…Humans are urged to surrender as many liberites as judged fit to save the world, which is pretty much all liberty that makes life worth living...
Christians must resist Green overtures to recast true religion, nor allow themselves to be prey for teachers of pagan heresies...
So having read the book – and watched some of the lectures on the accompanying DVD set – I began by asking Beisner why the Cornwall Alliance chooses to attack environmentalism with the kind of harsh, strong language – "foul beasts", "native evil" etc - expressed in the book:
We look at the environmental movement as a whole and particularly at the kinds of positions espoused by the top leadership of the largest environmental NGOs around the world. What I would say is that those definitely tend to be un-Christian in their world view – either secular and atheistic on the one hand, or spiritual, but not Christianly spiritual, and pantheistic on the other hand. There is a clear rejection of Biblical teaching that humanity should have dominion. And sin tends to get defined by environmentalism as our use, or abuse, of the Earth far more than in terms of our violation of the revealed laws of God in, say, the Ten Commandments. The solution to human problems tends to be "don't touch this, don't handle that", which is precisely the kind of thing that the Apostle Paul warned, rather than pointing to the gospel of redemption through the atoning death of Christ of the Cross. Environmentalism, as a movement, is an alternative world view and a substitute for Christianity.
My principal concern about environmentalism is a religious, logical, ethical concern. My secondary concern is that its science and economics are often flawed in ways that would point us towards policies that are especially destructive and harmful to the world's poor and, secondarily, everyone else.I then asked Beisner why, in his view, the Dominion Mandate appears to take precedence over all else:
There are two reasons. One positive and the other negative and apologetic. The positive reason is simply the placement of that sentence in the overall text of scripture. Genesis 1:28 comes at the climax of the first chapter where we read of God creating the Heaven and the Earth, light and darkness, sea creatures, land creatures, and, finally, humanity made in His own image. And then He gives humanity this mission, this stipulation, as to its purpose on Earth. Its placement there makes it, hermeneutically, a very important verse for our understanding of the role of Mankind from the beginning of scripture. And you see that point being picked up again and again at various points in scripture.
But I also mentioned a negative reason. Lynn White's 1967 article, The Historical Roots of Our Ecological Crisis, is probably one of the half dozen most important articles for laying the foundations of the modern environmental movement. It has been cited thousands of times. The thesis of the article is, because of Genesis 1:28 claiming that God instructed Man to subdue and rule the Earth, Judeo-Christian religion, and, in fact, all Abrahamic religion, has promoted an exploitative, no-responsible attitude of humanity towards the Earth and its resources; that we can use it any way we please without regard to the harm to fellow Man and other living creatures. White argued in that article that we would deliver the Earth from ravaging exploitation only by means of a thorough repudiation of that heritage. That has made dominion a major issue in environmental theorising.
What I find ironic is that White didn't present any proof that any Christian or Jewish scholar ever interpreted it in that way. So part of the task of Biblical theologians applying scriptural teaching to environmental stewardship issues is to correct White's misrepresentation of the Christian Church and the verse, and to point out that coming as it does, where it does, in Genesis, we need to learn from God's own example what dominion and rule entails. Man's dominion over the Earth should reflect God's dominion over the Earth so as to glorify God and to give benefit to our fellow human beings and, indeed, all the rest of life on Earth. As God went through creation week, He created abundance, beauty and flourishing life. That's the kind of thing humanity ought to be doing.Throughout the book, the concept of "growth" is always spoken of in positive terms. I asked Beisner whether everything can just "keep growing", say, human population, without any form of restriction?
That straight away is terribly anachronistic as population shrinkage is going to be the next big challenge and begin around 2050. In and of itself, the total size of population is irrelevant ethically. You are certainly going to face challenges from either a growing or shrinking population. Where environmentalists start off as fundamentally mistaken is their vision of human beings. They see human beings as, primarily, consumers and polluters. Whereas the Bible teaches that humans, who are made in God's image, are producers and stewards. Obviously, it's not automatic. There needs to be education and moral commitment, and those things are furthered in my understanding through people being reconciled to God through the atoning work of Christ on the Cross and their faith in Him. As the late Julian Simon used to put it: "Every mouth that is born into this world is accompanied by two hands and, far more importantly, a mind." Those two hands and a mind are capable of producing far more than that mouth can consume. That's why, over the past several hundred years, each generation has also been wealthier on a per capita basis. We produce more wealth than we can consume. And that's a good thing.
I put it to Beisner that the book uses disparaging, negative terms when speaking of socialism, Obama, Democrats etc. Only Adam has more citations in the book's index than Al Gore, who has more than Satan. I asked him whether he aligns himself more along Republican lines, either politically or ideologically:
I'm pretty disgusted with all political parties. They're all gutless, pandering to people's desires to have the state meet their needs rather than through their own efforts. That would apply equally to big businesses rent-seeking and lobbying, trying to get governments to give them a competitive advantage over competitors, as it would to those people who want government handouts of, say, housing or food support. From my Christian understanding – and I understand that I have brothers and sisters of Christ who don't share my views – God ordained the state, which by its nature is a monopoly of legalised force, to enforce justice. And justice means rendering impartially to everyone his due, according to the righteous standard of God's moral law. He did not ordain the state to dispense grace. That's the role of the Church. When the state starts trying to dispense grace it necessarily transgresses the bounds of justice and winds up doing more harm than good. This is the very beginnings of my theological foundation of my reasoning in support of a much more free-market approach to economics, as opposed to a governmentally managed, centrally planned, neurotically arranged market.We concluded the interview by talking about the Cornwall Alliance's source of funding and support. It is often accused of being a front group for fossil-fuel interests. A report by The Wonk Room examined these claims more closely last year. It noted that the Cornwall Alliance has close personal connections to a right-leaning "public policy organisation" called Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT), which has received funding from oil companies in the past. (Beisner is on CFACT's board of advisors.) CFACT is probably best known now for promoting and funding the climate sceptic Marc Morano and his noisy website ClimateDepot (of which I have written about before). In one of Beisner's lectures on the DVD set, Morano can be seen listening attentively in the audience. So I asked Beisner to put it on the record, once and for all, how the Cornwall Alliance is funded:
We're supported primarily by individual donations. Some of those come via a cheque made out directly to us. Here in the US, for a variety of different reasons, you can make a donation to one charitable foundation via another foundation and the receiving foundation does not know who you are. Sometimes it's just as simple as, 'Hey, Jesus, said don't let the left hand know what the right it doing.' Some people don't want credit, or anyone trumpeting their name. Or they might want to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. But we make sure that I, as the spokesman, don't know where these types of donations come from. For that reason, I don't have to feel beholden to any donors.
The largest cheque we've ever had from an identifiable person is, I think, $5,000. There have been no corporate donations and certainly no oil money. [Laughs.] I wish. But, frankly, if an oil corporation was to offer us money I would turn it down because it would automatically compromise our ability to have public integrity. We are championing causes simply because we believe they are true. We're actually in the process of working out a statement for our website that says all this. But, frankly, we're very small. I'm the only full time person. [The latest accounts of the James Partnership, the Cornwall Alliance's parent organisation, can be viewed here as a PDF.] Probably the most important support we get is from the generosity of our chairman Chris Rogers who provides so much staff and equipment for which he doesn't charge. He's a very dedicated Christian man who gives sacrificially of himself. David Rothbard [CFACT's president] and I became friends in the early 1990s with a mutual interest in these issues. And, essentially, we think very similarly and we help each other out with information and recommend each other to others. CFACT is not a financial donor, though.
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The India-Israel relationship: what it means for secularism, Pratyush
[Citizen Journalism] (openDemocracy)India's relationship with Israel has the potential to shift the broader Middle Eastern narrative, affirming India's commitment to pluralism. A three-week Indian cultural festival will commence in Israel later this month to commemorate two decades of the establishment of diplomatic ties between the Republic of India and the State of Israel. It will be an occasion where the melange of Indian food, dance, and Bollywood will no doubt be celebrated with paeans being sung celebra ...
India's relationship with Israel has the potential to shift the broader Middle Eastern narrative, affirming India's commitment to pluralism.A three-week Indian cultural festival will commence in Israel later this month to commemorate two decades of the establishment of diplomatic ties between the Republic of India and the State of Israel. It will be an occasion where the melange of Indian food, dance, and Bollywood will no doubt be celebrated with paeans being sung celebrating the democratic values in the two countries. Of course, it has not always been this way – India and Israel were on opposite sides of the Cold War, with the former being a staunch supporter of the Palestinian cause routinely castigating the Jewish state for its “occupation” of Palestine, even as Yasser Arafat was routinely received in New Delhi with a red carpet by his “sister” Indira Gandhi.
The end of the Cold War also ended the ideological moorings that had plagued India’s vision of world affairs, and in 1992 India’s Congress-led government headed by Prime Minister Narasimha Rao sought to establish full diplomatic relations with the Jewish State. In doing so, he reversed a four decade-old policy, ushering India into a full-blown embrace of Israel reminiscent of Richard Nixon’s grand opening to China in 1972, laced in Kissingerian realism. After all, decades of support for the Palestinian cause had not transformed into any visible Arab support for India on Kashmir and the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) summits had become little more than an annual India-bashing exercise. Furthermore, the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan had freed up the battle-hardened mujahedeen to take their fights to other lands, and a massively rigged election in Indian-administered Kashmir in 1987 made it ready fodder for waging an insurgency against Indian rule. The demise of the Soviet Union meant that New Delhi had to scout the international horizon for new partners even as it did its best to navigate the choppy waters of international diplomacy. Israel provided a clean slate for such a new beginning to be made, and every Indian government since 1992, irrespective of its political colour, has engaged Israel and transformed the relationship into a truly strategic one.
A flurry of diplomatic visits between India and Israel in the last decade has brought a highly secretive relationship out of the closet and has become a cornerstone of each other’s security policy. In September 2003, Ariel Sharon became the first Israeli Prime Minister to visit India – a visit that raised hackles in Pakistan and much of the Arab world pointing towards New Delhi’s changed paradigm vis-à-vis the Middle East, and indeed underlining a muscular strategic orientation intended for both international and domestic audiences.
In 2008, Israel surpassed Russia to become India’s leading arms supplier providing New Delhi with everything from hi-tech radar and surveillance systems, nigh-vision equipment and anti-ballistic missile shields, with defence cooperation gradually moving from a seller-buyer relationship towards joint production of military equipment. The same year, an Indian rocket helped launch an Israeli spy satellite and discussions have been underway between the two countries since 2007 for a free trade agreement to boost non-military trade from the current US$ 4.2 billion to US$ 12 billion in the next four years. A record 40,000 Israelis visited India last year, mostly after completing their mandatory military service, while the corresponding figure for Indians travelling to Israel was over 20,000, laying a key foundation for people-to-people understanding.
However, a large number of critics both in India and abroad see this as not just a security partnership but as a relationship that has strong religious and ideological roots. For critics argue that this is a nexus of political expediency between Jewish Israel and Hindu-majority India against Muslims. Repeated pronouncements about fighting “forces of terrorism together with religious fundamentalism” are seen as a euphemism for fighting Islamists. The fact that ties between the two nations flourished during the tenure of the Hindu-nationalist centre-right wing Bharatiya Janata Party-led National Democratic Alliance (NDA) Government fuels this perception. This perception was strengthened in 2003 when India’s then National Security Advisor, Brajesh Mishra while addressing a gathering of the American Jewish Community in Washington called for a trilateral alliance between the United States, India and Israel to “jointly face the same ugly face of modern-day terrorism” while contending that “such an alliance would have the political will and moral authority to take bold decisions in extreme cases of terrorist provocation.” Coming as it did barely a year after the September 11 attacks, the proposed alliance acquired ideological trappings fuelling fears of a Huntingtonian clash of civilisations.
However, it is imperative to cast the India-Israel narrative in a wider net, both for long-term sustenance of the relationship and for the promise that it may hold. Sure enough, India-Israel ties took off during the BJP regime whose leaders sought to inject an ideological colour that washed well with the regime’s domestic constituencies of hard-line Hindus, but the fact is that every government since 1992 has looked to strengthening and broadening the entire gamut of the India-Israeli relationship, and this includes three Congress governments as well as the short-lived Third Front government in the mid-1990s. This has been part of a concerted effort as part of a broader strategic doctrine to engage Israel and in doing so infuse a much-needed degree of balance to India’s Middle East policy. Indeed, as New Delhi assumes a non-permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council and campaigns for permanent membership in the Council, its behaviour would be adjudicated by the international community in terms of India’s ability to emerge as an effective and credible international interlocutor on a host of global issues including the contentious Arab-Israeli conflict. This would have to translate as an excellent working relationship with Israel as well as a host of Arab states and New Delhi has been extremely adept at walking the diplomatic tightrope having hosted leaders of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Iran, United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Syria amongst others in the last five years. With great power comes great responsibility and India, if it chose to enter the Middle East’s diplomatic minefield, has all the credentials and evokes the trust to emerge as a key interlocutor.
For Israel, India represents a country that has both the world’s second largest Muslim population and also a nation that has never had a history of anti-Semitism despite being home to a small, yet significant Jewish population with the first set of Jews arriving in South India 2500 years ago. For a country witnessing the strengthening of right-wing conservative forces, courting India enables Israel to ward off criticism of being a nation antithetical to Muslims besides presenting a genuine opportunity for peace and reconciliation between the two great Abrahamic faiths and to its credit, Tel Aviv understands this. In a historic first, the Israeli ambassador to India, Mark Sofer visited one of the most renowned Sufi shrines in South Asia, at Ajmer Sharif, in September 2010 on the occasion of roza iftar and said, “Israel respects Islam and loves Muslims. We are sons and daughters of Abraham. Islam, Judaism and Christianity are the offshoots of the same faith and that makes us cousins.” Only three years before, in August 2007, a delegation of Muslim leaders headed by Maulana Jamil Ilyasi, president of the All India Organisation of Imams and Mosques which represents about 500,000 imams, headed the Indian delegation for a ‘dialogue of democracies’ designed to foster understanding between the two peoples, highlighting the diversity in the Muslim community and offering a reminder that the majority of Muslims live outside the Arab world and benefit from democracy. Crucially, the trip was aimed at refuting the link between religion and state in the Arab-Israeli conflict, suggesting that democratic states can overcome antagonism over longstanding religious differences. Debunked throughout the trip was the notion that Israel was the mortal enemy of the world’s global community of Muslims or the ummah.
India’s courtship of Israel cannot be the preserve of one national party with a particular religious appeal for it goes against the very tenets of pluralism that forms the cornerstone of the very ‘idea of India.’ To arrest the perception of the India-Israel relationship being an ostensible marriage of theocratic elements in the two states, the current centre-left Congress-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government must wrest back the initiative, and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh should embark on a historic visit to the State of Israel to put a pan-Indian secular seal on Delhi’s Tel Aviv policy by becoming the first ever Indian Prime Minister to visit Israel. More importantly, it would be an affirmation of India’s success at managing religious diversity against incredible odds, in the process strengthening secular elements within Israel’s polity, which in recent months has displayed a worrying inclination for hard-line religious conservatism. For the broader Middle East narrative, a visit by an Indian Prime Minister to Israel (and the Palestinian Territories) would send the unambiguous message of New Delhi’s intention to shoulder responsibilities beyond its immediate security periphery while casting the Arab-Israeli conflict as one that is less of a religious conflict and more of a geopolitical one. Doing so would surely send a boost to peaceniks across the region – India owes it to the international community and to its own history.
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What does a 147 word sentence sound like?
[Speaking] (Max Atkinson's Blog)Looking for suitable video clips for a presentation at the UK Speechwriters' Guild conference on 'We do, do God' later this week took me back to the Archbishop of Canterbury's lecture on Sharia law three years ago. Although it aroused a great deal of media interest and controversy at the time, I very much doubt whether many of the commentators managed to read or watch all the way through - both of which you can have a go at doing below. If you do, you might like to ask yourself the question that ...
Looking for suitable video clips for a presentation at the UK Speechwriters' Guild conference on 'We do, do God' later this week took me back to the Archbishop of Canterbury's lecture on Sharia law three years ago.
Although it aroused a great deal of media interest and controversy at the time, I very much doubt whether many of the commentators managed to read or watch all the way through - both of which you can have a go at doing below. If you do, you might like to ask yourself the question that I couldn't get out of my mind while going through it, namely:
Is this the most boring and incomprehensible lecture you've ever heard?To be fair, I ought to be grateful to the Archbishop for providing part of the script (and the biggest laughs) in a comedy sketch written just after he'd given the lecture (HERE). The extract that achieved this was the following sentence made up of 147 words.
But, when we know that the average sentence length in effective speeches is sixteen words, how on earth could anyone justify including one that's more than nine times longer than that?
After reading and listening to it quite a few times, I'm still none the wiser about what it means. And you don't have to go very far through the rest of the lecture to find plenty of similar examples of long-winded incomprehensibility.
The 147 word sentence:
'The rule of law is thus not the enshrining of priority for the universal/abstract dimension of social existence but the establishing of a space accessible to everyone in which it is possible to affirm and defend a commitment to human dignity as such, independent of membership in any specific human community or tradition, so that when specific communities or traditions are in danger of claiming finality for their own boundaries of practice and understanding, they are reminded that they have to come to terms with the actuality of human diversity - and that the only way of doing this is to acknowledge the category of 'human dignity as such' – a non-negotiable assumption that each agent (with his or her historical and social affiliations) could be expected to have a voice in the shaping of some common project for the well-being and order of a human group.'
Was the appointment of Dr Williams a Papist plot?A friend of mine believes that it was no coincidence that Tony Blair was thinking about converting to Roman Catholicism when he elevated Rowan Williams to the top Anglican job, and that his selection of such a hopeless communicator was proof that Blair was serving as a secret agent for the Pope with a view to bringing the Church of England into disrepute.
At the time, I thought it rather a good joke, but the more I've seen of the Archbishop's communication skills since then, the more I'm beginning to wonder whether there might be more than a grain of truth to the theory.
See what you think:
The lecture in full:
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams: foundation lecture at the Royal Courts of Justice 'Civil and Religious Law in England: a Religious Perspective', 7 February 2008
Script:
The title of this series of lectures signals the existence of what is very widely felt to be a growing challenge in our society – that is, the presence of communities which, while no less 'law-abiding' than the rest of the population, relate to something other than the British legal system alone. But, as I hope to suggest, the issues that arise around what level of public or legal recognition, if any, might be allowed to the legal provisions of a religious group, are not peculiar to Islam: we might recall that, while the law of the Church of England is the law of the land, its daily operation is in the hands of authorities to whom considerable independence is granted. And beyond the specific issues that arise in relation to the practicalities of recognition or delegation, there are large questions in the background about what we understand by and expect from the law, questions that are more sharply focused than ever in a largely secular social environment. I shall therefore be concentrating on certain issues around Islamic law to begin with, in order to open up some of these wider matters.
Among the manifold anxieties that haunt the discussion of the place of Muslims in British society, one of the strongest, reinforced from time to time by the sensational reporting of opinion polls, is that Muslim communities in this country seek the freedom to live under sharia law. And what most people think they know of sharia is that it is repressive towards women and wedded to archaic and brutal physical punishments; just a few days ago, it was reported that a 'forced marriage' involving a young woman with learning difficulties had been 'sanctioned under sharia law' – the kind of story that, in its assumption that we all 'really' know what is involved in the practice of sharia, powerfully reinforces the image of – at best – a pre-modern system in which human rights have no role. The problem is freely admitted by Muslim scholars. 'In the West', writes Tariq Ramadan in his groundbreaking Western Muslims and the Future of Islam, 'the idea of Sharia calls up all the darkest images of Islam...It has reached the extent that many Muslim intellectuals do not dare even to refer to the concept for fear of frightening people or arousing suspicion of all their work by the mere mention of the word' (p.31). Even when some of the more dramatic fears are set aside, there remains a great deal of uncertainty about what degree of accommodation the law of the land can and should give to minority communities with their own strongly entrenched legal and moral codes. As such, this is not only an issue about Islam but about other faith groups, including Orthodox Judaism; and indeed it spills over into some of the questions which have surfaced sharply in the last twelve months about the right of religious believers in general to opt out of certain legal provisions – as in the problems around Roman Catholic adoption agencies which emerged in relation to the Sexual Orientation Regulations last spring.
This lecture will not attempt a detailed discussion of the nature of sharia, which would be far beyond my competence; my aim is only, as I have said, to tease out some of the broader issues around the rights of religious groups within a secular state, with a few thought about what might be entailed in crafting a just and constructive relationship between Islamic law and the statutory law of the United Kingdom. But it is important to begin by dispelling one or two myths about sharia; so far from being a monolithic system of detailed enactments, sharia designates primarily – to quote Ramadan again – 'the expression of the universal principles of Islam [and] the framework and the thinking that makes for their actualization in human history' (32). Universal principles: as any Muslim commentator will insist, what is in view is the eternal and absolute will of God for the universe and for its human inhabitants in particular; but also something that has to be 'actualized', not a ready-made system. If shar' designates the essence of the revealed Law, sharia is the practice of actualizing and applying it; while certain elements of the sharia are specified fairly exactly in the Qur'an and Sunna and in the hadith recognised as authoritative in this respect, there is no single code that can be identified as 'the' sharia. And when certain states impose what they refer to as sharia or when certain Muslim activists demand its recognition alongside secular jurisdictions, they are usually referring not to a universal and fixed code established once for all but to some particular concretisation of it at the hands of a tradition of jurists. In the hands of contemporary legal traditionalists, this means simply that the application of sharia must be governed by the judgements of representatives of the classical schools of legal interpretation. But there are a good many voices arguing for an extension of the liberty of ijtihad – basically reasoning from first principles rather than simply the collation of traditional judgements (see for example Louis Gardet, 'Un prealable aux questions soulevees par les droits de l'homme: l'actualisation de la Loi religieuse musulmane aujourd'hui', Islamochristiana 9, 1983, 1-12, and Abdullah Saeed, 'Trends in Contemporary Islam: a Preliminary Attempt at a Classification', The Muslim World, 97:3, 2007, 395-404, esp. 401-2).
Thus, in contrast to what is sometimes assumed, we do not simply have a standoff between two rival legal systems when we discuss Islamic and British law. On the one hand, sharia depends for its legitimacy not on any human decision, not on votes or preferences, but on the conviction that it represents the mind of God; on the other, it is to some extent unfinished business so far as codified and precise provisions are concerned. To recognise sharia is to recognise a method of jurisprudence governed by revealed texts rather than a single system. In a discussion based on a paper from Mona Siddiqui at a conference last year at Al Akhawayn University in Morocco, the point was made by one or two Muslim scholars that an excessively narrow understanding sharia as simply codified rules can have the effect of actually undermining the universal claims of the Qur'an.
But while such universal claims are not open for renegotiation, they also assume the voluntary consent or submission of the believer, the free decision to be and to continue a member of the ummaSharia is not, in that sense, intrinsically to do with any demand for Muslim dominance over non-Muslims. Both historically and in the contemporary context, Muslim states have acknowledged that membership of the umma is not coterminous with membership in a particular political society: in modern times, the clearest articulation of this was in the foundation of the Pakistani state under Jinnah; but other examples (Morocco, Jordan) could be cited of societies where there is a concept of citizenship that is not identical with belonging to the umma. Such societies, while not compromising or weakening the possibility of unqualified belief in the authority and universality of sharia, or even the privileged status of Islam in a nation, recognise that there can be no guarantee that the state is religiously homogeneous and that the relationships in which the individual stands and which define him or her are not exclusively with other Muslims. There has therefore to be some concept of common good that is not prescribed solely in terms of revealed Law, however provisional or imperfect such a situation is thought to be. And this implies in turn that the Muslim, even in a predominantly Muslim state, has something of a dual identity, as citizen and as believer within the community of the faithful.
It is true that this account would be hotly contested by some committed Islamic primitivists, by followers of Sayyid Qutb and similar polemicists; but it is fair to say that the great body of serious jurists in the Islamic world would recognise this degree of political plurality as consistent with Muslim integrity. In this sense, while (as I have said) we are not talking about two rival systems on the same level, there is some community of understanding between Islamic social thinking and the categories we might turn to in the non-Muslim world for the understanding of law in the most general context. There is a recognition that our social identities are not constituted by one exclusive set of relations or mode of belonging – even if one of those sets is regarded as relating to the most fundamental and non-negotiable level of reality, as established by a 'covenant' between the divine and the human (as in Jewish and Christian thinking; once again, we are not talking about an exclusively Muslim problem). The danger arises not only when there is an assumption on the religious side that membership of the community (belonging to the umma or the Church or whatever) is the only significant category, so that participation in other kinds of socio-political arrangement is a kind of betrayal. It also occurs when secular government assumes a monopoly in terms of defining public and political identity. There is a position – not at all unfamiliar in contemporary discussion – which says that to be a citizen is essentially and simply to be under the rule of the uniform law of a sovereign state, in such a way that any other relations, commitments or protocols of behaviour belong exclusively to the realm of the private and of individual choice. As I have maintained in several other contexts, this is a very unsatisfactory account of political reality in modern societies; but it is also a problematic basis for thinking of the legal category of citizenship and the nature of human interdependence. Maleiha Malik, following Alasdair MacIntyre, argues in an essay on 'Faith and the State of Jurisprudence' (Faith in Law: Essays in Legal Theory, ed. Peter Oliver, Sionaidh Douglas Scott and Victor Tadros, 2000, pp.129-49) that there is a risk of assuming that 'mainstreram' jurisprudence should routinely and unquestioningly bypass the variety of ways in which actions are as a matter of fact understood by agents in the light of the diverse sorts of communal belonging they are involved in. If that is the assumption, 'the appropriate temporal unit for analysis tends to be the basic action. Instead of concentrating on the history of the individual or the origins of the social practice which provides the context within which the act is performed, conduct tends to be studied as an isolated and one-off act' (139-40). And another essay in the same collection, Anthony Bradney's 'Faced by Faith' (89-105) offers some examples of legal rulings which have disregarded the account offered by religious believers of the motives for their own decisions, on the grounds that the court alone is competent to assess the coherence or even sincerity of their claims. And when courts attempt to do this on the grounds of what is 'generally acceptable' behaviour in a society, they are open, Bradney claims (102-3) to the accusation of undermining the principle of liberal pluralism by denying someone the right to speak in their own voice. The distinguished ecclesiastical lawyer, Chancellor Mark Hill, has also underlined in a number of recent papers the degree of confusion that has bedevilled recent essays in adjudicating disputes with a religious element, stressing the need for better definition of the kind of protection for religious conscience that the law intends (see particularly his essay with Russell Sandberg, 'Is Nothing Sacred? Clashing Symbols in a Secular World', Public Law 3, 2007, pp.488-506).
I have argued recently in a discussion of the moral background to legislation about incitement to religious hatred that any crime involving religious offence has to be thought about in terms of its tendency to create or reinforce a position in which a religious person or group could be gravely disadvantaged in regard to access to speaking in public in their own right: offence needs to be connected to issues of power and status, so that a powerful individual or group making derogatory or defamatory statements about a disadvantaged minority might be thought to be increasing that disadvantage. The point I am making here is similar. If the law of the land takes no account of what might be for certain agents a proper rationale for behaviour – for protest against certain unforeseen professional requirements, for instance, which would compromise religious discipline or belief – it fails in a significant way to communicate with someone involved in the legal process (or indeed to receive their communication), and so, on at least one kind of legal theory (expounded recently, for example, by R.A. Duff), fails in one of its purposes.
The implications are twofold. There is a plain procedural question – and neither Bradney nor Malik goes much beyond this – about how existing courts function and what weight is properly give to the issues we have been discussing. But there is a larger theoretical and practical issue about what it is to live under more than one jurisdiction., which takes us back to the question we began with – the role of sharia (or indeed Orthodox Jewish practice) in relation to the routine jurisdiction of the British courts. In general, when there is a robust affirmation that the law of the land should protect individuals on the grounds of their corporate religious identity and secure their freedom to fulfil religious duties, a number of queries are regularly raised. I want to look at three such difficulties briefly. They relate both to the question of whether there should be a higher level of attention to religious identity and communal rights in the practice of the law, and to the larger issue I mentioned of something like a delegation of certain legal functions to the religious courts of a community; and this latter question, it should be remembered, is relevant not only to Islamic law but also to areas of Orthodox Jewish practice.
The first objection to a higher level of public legal regard being paid to communal identity is that it leaves legal process (including ordinary disciplinary process within organisations) at the mercy of what might be called vexatious appeals to religious scruple. A recent example might be the reported refusal of a Muslim woman employed by Marks and Spencer to handle a book of Bible stories. Or we might think of the rather more serious cluster of questions around forced marriages, where again it is crucial to distinguish between cultural and strictly religious dimensions. While Bradney rightly cautions against the simple dismissal of alleged scruple by judicial authorities who have made no attempt to understand its workings in the construction of people's social identities, it should be clear also that any recognition of the need for such sensitivity must also have a recognised means of deciding the relative seriousness of conscience-related claims, a way of distinguishing purely cultural habits from seriously-rooted matters of faith and discipline, and distinguishing uninformed prejudice from religious prescription. There needs to be access to recognised authority acting for a religious group: there is already, of course, an Islamic Shari'a Council, much in demand for rulings on marital questions in the UK; and if we were to see more latitude given in law to rights and scruples rooted in religious identity, we should need a much enhanced and quite sophisticated version of such a body, with increased resource and a high degree of community recognition, so that 'vexatious' claims could be summarily dealt with. The secular lawyer needs to know where the potential conflict is real, legally and religiously serious, and where it is grounded in either nuisance or ignorance. There can be no blank cheques given to unexamined scruples.
The second issue, a very serious one, is that recognition of 'supplementary jurisdiction' in some areas, especially family law, could have the effect of reinforcing in minority communities some of the most repressive or retrograde elements in them, with particularly serious consequences for the role and liberties of women. The 'forced marriage' question is the one most often referred to here, and it is at the moment undoubtedly a very serious and scandalous one; but precisely because it has to do with custom and culture rather than directly binding enactments by religious authority, I shall refer to another issue. It is argued that the provision for the inheritance of widows under a strict application of sharia has the effect of disadvantaging them in what the majority community might regard as unacceptable ways. A legal (in fact Qur'anic) provision which in its time served very clearly to secure a widow's position at a time when this was practically unknown in the culture becomes, if taken absolutely literally, a generator of relative insecurity in a new context (see, for example, Ann Elizabeth Mayer, Islam and Human Rights. Tradition and Politics, 1999, p.111). The problem here is that recognising the authority of a communal religious court to decide finally and authoritatively about such a question would in effect not merely allow an additional layer of legal routes for resolving conflicts and ordering behaviour but would actually deprive members of the minority community of rights and liberties that they were entitled to enjoy as citizens; and while a legal system might properly admit structures or protocols that embody the diversity of moral reasoning in a plural society by allowing scope for a minority group to administer its affairs according to its own convictions, it can hardly admit or 'license' protocols that effectively take away the rights it acknowledges as generally valid.
To put the question like that is already to see where an answer might lie, though it is not an answer that will remove the possibility of some conflict. If any kind of plural jurisdiction is recognised, it would presumably have to be under the rubric that no 'supplementary' jurisdiction could have the power to deny access to the rights granted to other citizens or to punish its members for claiming those rights. This is in effect to mirror what a minority might themselves be requesting – that the situation should not arise where membership of one group restricted the freedom to live also as a member of an overlapping group, that (in this case) citizenship in a secular society should not necessitate the abandoning of religious discipline, any more than religious discipline should deprive one of access to liberties secured by the law of the land, to the common benefits of secular citizenship – or, better, to recognise that citizenship itself is a complex phenomenon not bound up with any one level of communal belonging but involving them all.
But this does not guarantee an absence of conflict. In the particular case we have mentioned, the inheritance rights of widows, it is already true that some Islamic societies have themselves proved flexible (Malaysia is a case in point). But let us take a more neuralgic matter still: what about the historic Islamic prohibition against apostasy, and the draconian penalties entailed? In a society where freedom of religion is secured by law, it is obviously impossible for any group to claim that conversion to another faith is simply disallowed or to claim the right to inflict punishment on a convert. We touch here on one of the most sensitive areas not only in thinking about legal practice but also in interfaith relations. A significant number of contemporary Islamic jurists and scholars would say that the Qur'anic pronouncements on apostasy which have been regarded as the ground for extreme penalties reflect a situation in which abandoning Islam was equivalent to adopting an active stance of violent hostility to the community, so that extreme penalties could be compared to provisions in other jurisdictions for punishing spies or traitors in wartime; but that this cannot be regarded as bearing on the conditions now existing in the world. Of course such a reading is wholly unacceptable to 'primitivists' in Islam, for whom this would be an example of a rationalising strategy, a style of interpretation (ijtihad) uncontrolled by proper traditional norms. But, to use again the terminology suggested a moment ago, as soon as it is granted that – even in a dominantly Islamic society – citizens have more than one set of defining relationships under the law of the state, it becomes hard to justify enactments that take it for granted that the only mode of contact between these sets of relationships is open enmity; in which case, the appropriateness of extreme penalties for conversion is not obvious even within a fairly strict Muslim frame of reference. Conversely, where the dominant legal culture is non-Islamic, but there is a level of serious recognition of the corporate reality and rights of the umma, there can be no assumption that outside the umma the goal of any other jurisdiction is its destruction. Once again, there has to be a recognition that difference of conviction is not automatically a lethal threat.
As I have said, this is a delicate and complex matter involving what is mostly a fairly muted but nonetheless real debate among Muslim scholars in various contexts. I mention it partly because of its gravity as an issue in interfaith relations and in discussions of human rights and the treatment of minorities, partly to illustrate how the recognition of what I have been calling membership in different but overlapping sets of social relationship (what others have called 'multiple affiliations') can provide a framework for thinking about these neuralgic questions of the status of women and converts. Recognising a supplementary jurisdiction cannot mean recognising a liberty to exert a sort of local monopoly in some areas. The Jewish legal theorist Ayelet Shachar, in a highly original and significant monograph on Multicultural Jurisdictions: Cultural Differences and Women's Rights (2001), explores the risks of any model that ends up 'franchising' a non-state jurisdiction so as to reinforce its most problematic features and further disadvantage its weakest members: 'we must be alert', she writes, 'to the potentially injurious effects of well-meaning external protections upon different categories of group members here – effects which may unwittingly exacerbate preexisting internal power hierarchies' (113). She argues that if we are serious in trying to move away from a model that treats one jurisdiction as having a monopoly of socially defining roles and relations, we do not solve any problems by a purely uncritical endorsement of a communal legal structure which can only be avoided by deciding to leave the community altogether. We need, according to Shachar, to 'work to overcome the ultimatum of "either your culture or your rights"' (114).
So the second objection to an increased legal recognition of communal religious identities can be met if we are prepared to think about the basic ground rules that might organise the relationship between jurisdictions, making sure that we do not collude with unexamined systems that have oppressive effect or allow shared public liberties to be decisively taken away by a supplementary jurisdiction. Once again, there are no blank cheques. I shall return to some of the details of Shachar's positive proposal; but I want to move on to the third objection, which grows precisely out of the complexities of clarifying the relations between jurisdictions. Is it not both theoretically and practically mistaken to qualify our commitment to legal monopoly? So much of our thinking in the modern world, dominated by European assumptions about universal rights, rests, surely, on the basis that the law is the law; that everyone stands before the public tribunal on exactly equal terms, so that recognition of corporate identities or, more seriously, of supplementary jurisdictions is simply incoherent if we want to preserve the great political and social advances of Western legality.
There is a bit of a risk here in the way we sometimes talk about the universal vision of post-Enlightenment politics. The great protest of the Enlightenment was against authority that appealed only to tradition and refused to justify itself by other criteria – by open reasoned argument or by standards of successful provision of goods and liberties for the greatest number. Its claim to override traditional forms of governance and custom by looking towards a universal tribunal was entirely intelligible against the background of despotism and uncritical inherited privilege which prevailed in so much of early modern Europe. The most positive aspect of this moment in our cultural history was its focus on equal levels of accountability for all and equal levels of access for all to legal process. In this respect, it was in fact largely the foregrounding and confirming of what was already encoded in longstanding legal tradition, Roman and mediaeval, which had consistently affirmed the universality and primacy of law (even over the person of the monarch). But this set of considerations alone is not adequate to deal with the realities of complex societies: it is not enough to say that citizenship as an abstract form of equal access and equal accountability is either the basis or the entirety of social identity and personal motivation. Where this has been enforced, it has proved a weak vehicle for the life of a society and has often brought violent injustice in its wake (think of the various attempts to reduce citizenship to rational equality in the France of the 1790's or the China of the 1970's). Societies that are in fact ethnically, culturally and religiously diverse are societies in which identity is formed, as we have noted by different modes and contexts of belonging, 'multiple affiliation'. The danger is in acting as if the authority that managed the abstract level of equal citizenship represented a sovereign order which then allowed other levels to exist. But if the reality of society is plural – as many political theorists have pointed out – this is a damagingly inadequate account of common life, in which certain kinds of affiliation are marginalised or privatised to the extent that what is produced is a ghettoised pattern of social life, in which particular sorts of interest and of reasoning are tolerated as private matters but never granted legitimacy in public as part of a continuing debate about shared goods and priorities.
But this means that we have to think a little harder about the role and rule of law in a plural society of overlapping identities. Perhaps it helps to see the universalist vision of law as guaranteeing equal accountability and access primarily in a negative rather than a positive sense – that is, to see it as a mechanism whereby any human participant in a society is protected against the loss of certain elementary liberties of self-determination and guaranteed the freedom to demand reasons for any actions on the part of others for actions and policies that infringe self-determination. This is a slightly more gentle or tactful way of expressing what some legal theorists will describe as the 'monopoly of legitimate violence' by the law of a state, the absolute restriction of powers of forcible restraint to those who administer statutory law. This is not to reduce society itself primarily to an uneasy alliance of self-determining individuals arguing about the degree to which their freedom is limited by one another and needing forcible restraint in a war of all against all – though that is increasingly the model which a narrowly rights-based culture fosters, producing a manically litigious atmosphere and a conviction of the inadequacy of customary ethical restraints and traditions – of what was once called 'civility'. The picture will not be unfamiliar, and there is a modern legal culture which loves to have it so. But the point of defining legal universalism as a negative thing is that it allows us to assume, as I think we should, that the important springs of moral vision in a society will be in those areas which a systematic abstract universalism regards as 'private' – in religion above all, but also in custom and habit. The role of 'secular' law is not the dissolution of these things in the name of universalism but the monitoring of such affiliations to prevent the creation of mutually isolated communities in which human liberties are seen in incompatible ways and individual persons are subjected to restraints or injustices for which there is no public redress.
The rule of law is thus not the enshrining of priority for the universal/abstract dimension of social existence but the establishing of a space accessible to everyone in which it is possible to affirm and defend a commitment to human dignity as such, independent of membership in any specific human community or tradition, so that when specific communities or traditions are in danger of claiming finality for their own boundaries of practice and understanding, they are reminded that they have to come to terms with the actuality of human diversity - and that the only way of doing this is to acknowledge the category of 'human dignity as such' – a non-negotiable assumption that each agent (with his or her historical and social affiliations) could be expected to have a voice in the shaping of some common project for the well-being and order of a human group. It is not to claim that specific community understandings are 'superseded' by this universal principle, rather to claim that they all need to be undergirded by it. The rule of law is – and this may sound rather counterintuitive – a way of honouring what in the human constitution is not captured by any one form of corporate belonging or any particular history, even though the human constitution never exists without those other determinations. Our need, as Raymond Plant has well expressed it, is for the construction of 'a moral framework which could expand outside the boundaries of particular narratives while, at the same time, respecting the narratives as the cultural contexts in which the language [of common dignity and mutually intelligible commitments to work for certain common moral priorities] is learned and taught' (Politics, Theology and History, 2001, pp.357-8).
I'd add in passing that this is arguably a place where more reflection is needed about the theology of law; if my analysis is right, the sort of foundation I have sketched for a universal principle of legal right requires both a certain valuation of the human as such and a conviction that the human subject is always endowed with some degree of freedom over against any and every actual system of human social life; both of these things are historically rooted in Christian theology, even when they have acquired a life of their own in isolation from that theology. It never does any harm to be reminded that without certain themes consistently and strongly emphasised by the 'Abrahamic' faiths, themes to do with the unconditional possibility for every human subject to live in conscious relation with God and in free and constructive collaboration with others, there is no guarantee that a 'universalist' account of human dignity would ever have seemed plausible or even emerged with clarity. Slave societies and assumptions about innate racial superiority are as widespread a feature as any in human history (and they have persistently infected even Abrahamic communities, which is perhaps why the Enlightenment was a necessary wake-up call to religion...).
But to return to our main theme: I have been arguing that a defence of an unqualified secular legal monopoly in terms of the need for a universalist doctrine of human right or dignity is to misunderstand the circumstances in which that doctrine emerged, and that the essential liberating (and religiously informed) vision it represents is not imperilled by a loosening of the monopolistic framework. At the moment, as I mentioned at the beginning of this lecture, one of the most frequently noted problems in the law in this area is the reluctance of a dominant rights-based philosophy to acknowledge the liberty of conscientious opting-out from collaboration in procedures or practices that are in tension with the demands of particular religious groups: the assumption, in rather misleading shorthand, that if a right or liberty is granted there is a corresponding duty upon every individual to 'activate' this whenever called upon. Earlier on, I proposed that the criterion for recognising and collaborating with communal religious discipline should be connected with whether a communal jurisdiction actively interfered with liberties guaranteed by the wider society in such a way as definitively to block access to the exercise of those liberties; clearly the refusal of a religious believer to act upon the legal recognition of a right is not, given the plural character of society, a denial to anyone inside or outside the community of access to that right. The point has been granted in respect of medical professionals who may be asked to perform or co-operate in performing abortions – a perfectly reasonable example of the law doing what I earlier defined as its job, securing space for those aspects of human motivation and behaviour that cannot be finally determined by any corporate or social system. It is difficult to see quite why the principle cannot be extended in other areas. But it is undeniable that there is pressure from some quarters to insist that conscientious disagreement should always be overruled by a monopolistic understanding of jurisdiction.
I labour the point because what at first seems to be a somewhat narrow point about how Islamic law and Islamic identity should or might be regarded in our legal system in fact opens up a very wide range of current issues, and requires some general thinking about the character of law. It would be a pity if the immense advances in the recognition of human rights led, because of a misconception about legal universality, to a situation where a person was defined primarily as the possessor of a set of abstract liberties and the law's function was accordingly seen as nothing but the securing of those liberties irrespective of the custom and conscience of those groups which concretely compose a plural modern society. Certainly, no-one is likely to suppose that a scheme allowing for supplementary jurisdiction will be simple, and the history of experiments in this direction amply illustrates the problems. But if one approaches it along the lines sketched by Shachar in the monograph quoted earlier, it might be possible to think in terms of what she calls 'transformative accommodation': a scheme in which individuals retain the liberty to choose the jurisdiction under which they will seek to resolve certain carefully specified matters, so that 'power-holders are forced to compete for the loyalty of their shared constituents' (122). This may include aspects of marital law, the regulation of financial transactions and authorised structures of mediation and conflict resolution – the main areas that have been in question where supplementary jurisdictions have been tried, with native American communities in Canada as well as with religious groups like Islamic minority communities in certain contexts. In such schemes, both jurisdictional stakeholders may need to examine the way they operate; a communal/religious nomos, to borrow Shachar's vocabulary, has to think through the risks of alienating its people by inflexible or over-restrictive applications of traditional law, and a universalist Enlightenment system has to weigh the possible consequences of ghettoising and effectively disenfranchising a minority, at real cost to overall social cohesion and creativity. Hence 'transformative accommodation': both jurisdictional parties may be changed by their encounter over time, and we avoid the sterility of mutually exclusive monopolies.
It is uncomfortably true that this introduces into our thinking about law what some would see as a 'market' element, a competition for loyalty as Shachar admits. But if what we want socially is a pattern of relations in which a plurality of divers and overlapping affiliations work for a common good, and in which groups of serious and profound conviction are not systematically faced with the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty, it seems unavoidable. In other settings, I have spoken about the idea of 'interactive pluralism' as a political desideratum; this seems to be one manifestation of such an ideal, comparable to the arrangements that allow for shared responsibility in education: the best argument for faith schools from the point of view of any aspiration towards social harmony and understanding is that they bring communal loyalties into direct relation with the wider society and inevitably lead to mutual questioning and sometimes mutual influence towards change, without compromising the distinctiveness of the essential elements of those communal loyalties.
In conclusion, it seems that if we are to think intelligently about the relations between Islam and British law, we need a fair amount of 'deconstruction' of crude oppositions and mythologies, whether of the nature of sharia or the nature of the Enlightenment. But as I have hinted, I do not believe this can be done without some thinking also about the very nature of law. It is always easy to take refuge in some form of positivism; and what I have called legal universalism, when divorced from a serious theoretical (and, I would argue, religious) underpinning, can turn into a positivism as sterile as any other variety. If the paradoxical idea which I have sketched is true – that universal law and universal right are a way of recognising what is least fathomable and controllable in the human subject – theology still waits for us around the corner of these debates, however hard our culture may try to keep it out. And, as you can imagine, I am not going to complain about that.
I bet no one's read and listened to it all the way through to here! -
Commenting on French Ban of Face Veil
[Religion] (Technology of the Heart)Background of the French Ban A bill was introduced and passed in the Senate and National Assembly of France back in September 2010 banning the face veil. The face veil is known to muslims as Niqab or Nikab. Just a few days back, from 11 April 2011 it is now implement which makes the full-face veil illegal to wear in public places – such as on the street, in shops, in museums, on public transportation and in parks (the wearing of all conspicuous religious symbols in public schools, including ...
Background of the French Ban
A bill was introduced and passed in the Senate and National Assembly of France back in September 2010 banning the face veil. The face veil is known to muslims as Niqab or Nikab. Just a few days back, from 11 April 2011 it is now implement which makes the full-face veil illegal to wear in public places – such as on the street, in shops, in museums, on public transportation and in parks (the wearing of all conspicuous religious symbols in public schools, including Islamic veils and headscarves, was previously banned in 2004). As a result, the only exceptions to a woman wearing a niqāb in public will be if she is travelling in a private car or worshiping in a religious place. All garments which cover the face are now officially banned with offenders facing fines of 150 euros (£133).
The ban pertains to the burka (or burqa), a full-body covering that includes a mesh over the face, as well as the niqab. The hijab, which covers the hair and neck but not the face, and the chador, which covers the body but not the face, apparently are not banned by the law. France is home of about 5 million muslims and this ban is going to affect only fewer than 2,000 women across the country who wear the niqab or face veil when they go out.
Official poster for the information campaign about France's full face veil ban. The quote says "Nobody can wear clothes meant to hide the face in public."
The move is seen by many more of a political one than anything else. The Sarkozy government of France is anxious to respond to the rise in right wing support among French population and most of the political analysts agree on this point that this is a very politically motivated move. For sometime now, there has been a lot of debate in France related to the veil.
Belgium introduced a full ban last year, although it has not been enforced with any vigor. A ban also looks likely in Holland, Spain and Switzerland. Many are expressing this real fear that are Muslims being made the next Jews of Europe?
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Face Veil is more of culture than religious but banning violates freedom of expression
Majority of Islamic scholars agree on the point that Full Face Veil is NOT something which is a requirement of Islam or mandatory to observe (even though some observe it believing it as part of their religious observation). Many Muslim leaders have said they support NEITHER the veil nor the ban.
The original Quranic injunction in the context of wearing modestly of women was to respect and protect their dignity (...that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble or annoyed. Quran 33:59), and if in a post-modern world dressing is religiously over-done its already defeats the very purpose of this injunction - from this point of view, a post-modern interpretation of Islamic code of dress would encourage women to wear modestly in the cultural context of the society, without making oneself too distance or different than the rest of others.
Dalil Boubakeur, the grand mufti of the Paris Mosque, the largest and most influential in France, testified to parliament during the bill's preparation. He commented that the niqāb was not prescribed in Islam. Mohammed Moussaoui, the president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith, has opposed the law but favoured discouraging Muslim women from wearing the full veil. Abdel Muti al-Bayyumi, a member of the council of clerics at Al-Azhar Mosque in Cairo, Egypt, applauded the ban and stated that the niqāb has no basis in Sharia. He also said, "I want to send a message to Muslims in France and Europe. The niqab has no basis in Islam. I used to feel dismayed when I saw some of the sisters (in France) wearing the niqab. This does not give a good impression of Islam." Hassan Chalghoumi, an imam in the suburb of Drancy northeast of Paris, said he supported the law because of the veil's effect on women.
Yusuf al Qaradawi, a prominent Islamic scholar stated that in his view "the niqab is not obligatory" while criticising France for violating the freedom of those Muslim women who hold the view that it is.
Amnesty International condemned the passage of the bill in the Assembly as a violation of the freedom of expression of those women who wear the burqa or hijab.
Charing Ball writes in The Atlanta Post: "The problem with the ban is that Sarkozy and the law’s supporters fail to see how the banning of clothing, which many women wear for religious reasons, will most likely further marginalize these devout-religious women by making it impossible for them to engage in work, school and other social activities. Ironically, Sarkozy claims that “equality” is the motive behind instituting the law.
In addition, the question of what differentiates secular society from what some folks deem as symbols of extremist Islam is being settled on the bodies of women. Women are being used as some sort of litmus test to determine what are ‘acceptable’ practices of a religion. Hence, France’s ban on burqas is nothing more than a brash throwback to colonialism when the subjugation of a group’s customs and traditions where justified as a way of ‘saving’ them from their barbaric and primitive ways. In essence, France’s racism, sexism and xenophobic is as thinly veiled as the burqa."
A Short History of Veil
Even though at present time veil and covering of hair is mostly associated with Muslims or Islamic practices, this has very ancient history pre-dating thousands of years BC.
The first recorded instance of veiling for women is recorded in an Assyrian legal text from the 13th century BCE, which restricted its use to noble women. Assyrian kings first introduced both the seclusion of women in the royal harem and the veil. Prostitutes and slaves, however, were forbidden against wearing veil, and were punished if they disobeyed this law.
Classical Greek and Hellenistic statues sometimes depict Greek women with both their head and face covered by a veil. Scholars think that it was commonplace for women (at least those of higher status) in ancient Greece to cover their hair and face in public. Beyond the Near East, the practice of hiding one's face and largely living in seclusion appeared in classical Greece, in the Byzantine Christian world, in Persia, and in India among upper caste Rajput women.
In Judaism, Christianity and Islam the concept of covering the head is or was associated with propriety. All traditional depictions of the Virgin Mary, the mother of Christ, show her veiled. Veiling was a common practice with church-going women until the 1960s, and a number of very traditional churches retain the custom. In India, Hindu women veil for traditional purposes, it is custom in rural areas to veil in front of male elders. This veil is called the ghoonghat.
Muslims in their first century at first were relaxed about female dress. As Islam reached other lands, regional practices, including the covering of women, were adopted by the early Muslims. Yet it was only in the second Islamic century that the veil became common, first used among the powerful and rich as a status symbol. The Qu'ranic prescription to "draw their veils over their bosoms" became interpreted by some as an injunction to veil one's hair, neck and ears.
Throughout Islamic history only a part of the urban classes were veiled and secluded. Rural and nomadic women, the majority of the population, were not. For a woman to assume a protective veil and stay primarily within the house was a sign that her family had the means to enable her to do so.
Since nomad women rarely veiled, in the early stages of those Islamic countries with nomadic roots, women often were allowed to go unveiled, even in town. In the years of the early Safavid dynasty, women were unveiled, although the custom was changed by late Safavid times. The veil did not appear as a common rule to be followed until around the tenth century. (ref:1, ref:2)
Islam and Modesty
Modesty is a part of the teachings of the previous Prophets, and anyone who lacks it may do whatever he likes. - Saying of Last Prophet
Dressing modestly for women, who in general are bestowed with the honor of feminine beauty has universal value. Islam simply retains and preserves this principal, as was in Abrahim tradition. Both in original Judaic and Christian traditions women dressing modestly were part of culture as well as religious observation.
Modern Christians may be surprised to read Paul's position about women covering their hair (particularly when praying). On Corinthians 11:4-16 St. Paul writes:
.. any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved. For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil.
Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head unveiled? .. if a woman has long hair it is her glory, because long hair has been given (her) for a covering? But if anyone is inclined to be argumentative, we do not have such a custom, nor do the churches of God.
In Islam, as it is the natural progression of Abrahamic tradition, the same core values are lived and preserved. In the Final Testament or The Quran's principal of dress and modesty is general, broad and includes both men and women. The Quran does not stipulate veiling or seclusion; on the contrary, it tends to emphasize the participation of religious responsibility of both men and women in society. Also since there is no monastic tradition in Islam, there are no two different place of rule, unlike we see in other faith tradition like Christian nuns who wear certain dress and lay people completely disregard every boundaries. In Islamic worldview, devotion to God is part of seamless reality for women who see their family life and devotion to God without any separation and thus they strive to be in the world in a way which reflect universal spiritual value.
The Qur'anic discussion on dress centres on modesty. This is understood, first, as an avoidance of excess, and second, as the covering of nakedness. Surah al-A' raf, 7:26, speaks of clothing to cover nakedness, and clothing as a thing of beauty; but it says the garment of piety or taqwa is the best of all. The Surah then goes on to espouse in verse 31 dressing well for worship but not to do this in excess. Quranic principle requires women to dress modestly in public. Although definitions of what this entails vary regionally, many Muslim women cover themselves to some extent in deference to their religion. The question of hijab (meaning curtain or cover) appears in the Quran in the context of providing privacy to his wives since Prophet Muhammad conducted all religious and civic affairs in the mosque adjacent to his home. In that very context, hijab was the responsibility of the men and not the wives of Prophet Muhammad, who were known as Mothers of the believers.
Even though in present time many traditional muslim society as well as in the West muslim women wear different type of veil or hijab or niqab - the core principal was always modesty and doesnt require it to over-do it. Quran commands firstly the wives of the Prophet and later believing women to dress modestly and uses terms using the pre-existing dress code of women of that time. Modern scholars of Islam maintain the view that the commandment to maintain modesty must be interpreted with regard to the surrounding society.
Thanks to various culture from where people came and accepted Islam, various pre-existing dress code and idea of modesty became part of Muslim culture and they must be viewed as cultural element than religious. Dressing modestly is possible independent of culture, race, or existing practices of any other land or nation.
Commenting on France's ban on Face Veil or Burqa
via CNN
While its understandable that full face veil is not necessarily a religious obligation from Islamic point of view, but an age old cultural practice, yet banning it creates a very different situation for it. From the point of individual freedom this becomes some what disturbing. A state or country telling its citizen what to wear and what not to wear contradicts with democratic, civil values - the very values French republic so high upheld.
The sum effect of banning of Burqa most probably going to have positive effect because it encourage integration, it forces even Muslims (in Europe they have tendency to live in their own bubbles) to understand their own customs, educate themselves and separate cultural baggage from authentic teachings or practices. This also offers opportunity for Muslims to educate non-Muslims about their beliefs and the fact that those who practice Islam do not belong to a Mono-Culture. A muslim from India can be very different in his or her cultural embodiment than a Muslim from Malaysia or Turkey or California.
There is a gross misconception which is constructed around Muslim women's choice of wearing modestly, whether its covering their hair with head scarf or Hijab, Chador (cloak) or Jilbab (loose-fit garment / coat) that has to do with wrong association of women's oppression. While there are truth that women suffer from lack of freedom in many places in the world, and that more to do with cultural conditioning than anything else. Social theoretics will tell you that even if religion were removed from them, those who are obsessed in controlling and subjecting others, will find other ways to do so.
Thus seeing the choice of women wearing modestly in public, or a religion encouraging its faithful to respect boundaries should not be immediately seen through one-eyed interpretation. What is largely ignored is the voice or opinions of those who voluntarily choose to wear it out of their own choice, realization, a sign of their devotion.
See in every faith traditions there are monastics who turn away from the world, wants nothing from its super market or stock exchange or its dazzling merchandise of vanity of vanities. Spiritually what does these people stand for? The monks, the nuns whether they are Christian or Buddhist, who devote their whole life utterly centered to God or to their Dhamma move away from the world, from the market place and wants to live a life of seclusion, in solitude. Now they deserve respect for their choice and more so because its based on a very high purpose in life.
Now to understand why Muslim women, many choose to wear veil because they dont place so much weight on the super market or its product or the world of merchandise like most of us do (not all Muslim women wear face veil, only a small proportion). When they choose to completely veil themselves they are like the sisters in Nunnery and their choice must be respected as civilized people we respect the choice of devout nuns or monks to their choice of way of life.
If anybody want to know or understand how Muslims feel about banning his or her sister or mother to wear her veil, it will be helpful to understand to take this parallel perspective of how Church will feel if suddenly secular government of XYZ country demand that all Nuns in the country need to wear denim jeans and short sleeves. Funny or odd as it might sound, thats how muslim take offense of such banning and instead of talking about Clash of Civilizations, the West better deal with this Clash of Ignorance with which they completely miss the point again and again when it comes to understanding Muslim minds. Muslims are not an alien separate entity, they are part of the world as much as they are part of the West. For Muslims asking veiled women to uncover their veil or to tell a women that she has to sit at home if she continues to choose to wear it, it is a serious and real threat against women's right.
To have a better perspective, CNN's religion blog features American women who decides to wear the Islamic dress and you may follow their story here:
> Read about American women who wear Islamic headscarves
> Read about two Tennessee sisters who wear the hijab
And Remember the Veil of Moses
After coming down from Mount Sinai, Moses is described as having rays of divine light beaming from his face. The Torah continues to say that Moses' face was so bright with holiness, no one dared look at him.
He had to wear a veil whenever he spoke to the people in order to filter the Divine glare.
- Exodus 34:29-35.
What about those who chose to veil themselves from the world?
Absorbed in the world and you've made it your burden.
Rise above the world, behold! there is another vision!
- Rumi
There is an alarming and dangerous tendency of stereotyping Muslims in the West, and the root cause of it is mostly ignorance. If Christian West knew their own tradition well, they would be surprised how many of the original practices of Abrahamic traditions are only preserved and visible in their Muslim neighbors. West has not yet got over with its post-colonial hangover that creates an inferiority complex that must always work its way towards Western supremacy while looking down at everything foreign to them.
In this recent debate about face-veil what is completely ignored is the sheer spiritual dimension from where a woman would like to veil herself from the world. For west where the dominating culture and icons hover around McDonalds, glorification of everything on sale including women's body and 24/7 distraction on all kind of media in the name of entertainment, it is very hard to imagine that in this world there are many for whom this world is a place of temporal abode and the reality of eternal afterlife is a much vivid reality. There are many who literally prefer to be veiled from the world and we have no rights to tell them that they can not. Whether even as a Muslim if I feel that it does not fit my religious understanding of how when it comes to covering one's face, I still have to be sensitive to their point of view.
We often dont understand the deep meaning of what it means in believe in eternal after-life and why someone who internalize it can choose to live in a way removed from the super-market culture. We are no longer living in a time of people retiring in temple cell or solitary mountain cave. Yet the same spiritual impulses of seclusion from the world is still within our soul and some may still choose to embrace it - while living in the world but being above it.
Seclusion from people will become inevitable for you and preference for retreat over human associations, for the extent of your distance from creation is the extent of your closeness to God, outwardly and inwardly.
Your heart will not become clear of the mad ravings of the world except by distance from them. - Ibn Arabi
Solitude in the Crowd is a very deep rooted spiritual practice, and when this station is realized and reached by any soul, they spiritually veil themselves even when in the super market. Mystics understand this very well because they live like that. The problem of our modern day disconnect is that we may understand a metaphysical reality or be satisfied with intangible concept but when it become real - its reality is too scary for us. What these women who prefer to be veiled when in the street or super market, are practicing and embodying its very real aspect in a way which appear to be too surreal for us. Yes its true that out of 1000 who veil, if we sample or interview them, they may have very different circumstances or reasoning to be so, yet we can never generalize and immaturely assume that they all are doing it simply because they are forced or they are suppressed. Actually the reality is quite opposite and among the French women who prefer to veil themselves in public, many of them are French born Muslim reverts for whom this feeling of being only for God and their own private circle of loved ones is the most precious way of living. And there are many documented and interviewed women both in the east and west who embrace to wear modestly (and according to their own comfort level of it) in public and they do it consciously with very refined sense of spiritual and religious devotion. And who are we to tell them they can not embody that?
Look into the stranger's eyes and see
A Buddhist Master asks, “How do you know when the night has ended and the dawn has come?” A student replies, “When I can tell a donkey apart from the hay.” Another says, “When I can see my hands clearly.” The master responds, “The night is over and the dawn has come when you look into a stranger’s eyes and instead of seeing something to judge, you see your brother or sister.” via Darvish blog
Let us look at our common humanity and celebrate its diversity, instead of divisions and antagonizing others. We await for that new dawn.
- Sadiq Alam
London, April 2011
# Further:
* Dress and Modesty in Islam
* Discovering (not Uncovering) the Spirituality of Muslim Women by Ingrid Mattson
* Doha Debate on France's ban via Youtube (posted in Oct 2010)
* Solitude in the Crowd
* Uncovering myths about the hijab
* Veils, Headscarfs and Muslim Clothing
* Why Hijab?
* France's controversial burqa ban takes effect
* France's burqa ban: 5 ways Europe is targeting Islam
# Hearing Stories from the Real People:
* US Latinas say Islam offers women more respect
* Muslim women who wear the hijab and niqab explain their choice
* Living under the headscarf
* Will you ask Mother Mary to remove her scarf?PS: visit directly to http://www.mysticsaint.info for multimedia experience. Blessings, Sadiq -
Commenting on French Ban of Face Veil
[Religion] (Technology of the Heart)French Ban of Face Veil or Burqa A bill was introduced and passed in the Senate and National Assembly of France back in September 2010 banning the face veil. The face veil is known to muslims as Niqab or Nikab. Just a few days back, from 11 April 2011 it is now implement which makes the full-face veil illegal to wear in public places – such as on the street, in shops, in museums, on public transportation and in parks (the wearing of all conspicuous religious symbols in public schools, inclu ...
French Ban of Face Veil or Burqa
A bill was introduced and passed in the Senate and National Assembly of France back in September 2010 banning the face veil. The face veil is known to muslims as Niqab or Nikab. Just a few days back, from 11 April 2011 it is now implement which makes the full-face veil illegal to wear in public places – such as on the street, in shops, in museums, on public transportation and in parks (the wearing of all conspicuous religious symbols in public schools, including Islamic veils and headscarves, was previously banned in 2004). As a result, the only exceptions to a woman wearing a niqāb in public will be if she is travelling in a private car or worshiping in a religious place. All garments which cover the face are now officially banned with offenders facing fines of 150 euros (£133).
The ban pertains to the burka (or burqa), a full-body covering that includes a mesh over the face, as well as the niqab. The hijab, which covers the hair and neck but not the face, and the chador, which covers the body but not the face, apparently are not banned by the law. France is home of about 5 million muslims and this ban is going to affect only fewer than 2,000 women across the country who wear the niqab or face veil when they go out.
Official poster for the information campaign about France's full face veil ban. The quote says "Nobody can wear clothes meant to hide the face in public."
The move is seen by many more of a political one than anything else. The Sarkozy government of France is anxious to respond to the rise in right wing support among French population and most of the political analysts agree on this point that this is a very politically motivated move. For sometime now, there has been a lot of debate in France related to the veil.
Belgium introduced a full ban last year, although it has not been enforced with any vigour. A ban also looks likely in Holland, Spain and Switzerland.
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Face Veil is more of culture than religious but banning violates freedom of expression
Majority of Islamic scholars agree on the point that Full Face Veil is NOT something which is a requirement of Islam or mandatory to observe (even though some observe it believing it as part of their religious observation). Many Muslim leaders have said they support NEITHER the veil nor the ban.
Dalil Boubakeur, the grand mufti of the Paris Mosque, the largest and most influential in France, testified to parliament during the bill's preparation. He commented that the niqāb was not prescribed in Islam. Mohammed Moussaoui, the president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith, has opposed the law but favoured discouraging Muslim women from wearing the full veil. Abdel Muti al-Bayyumi, a member of the council of clerics at Al-Azhar Mosque in Cairo, Egypt, applauded the ban and stated that the niqāb has no basis in Sharia. He also said, "I want to send a message to Muslims in France and Europe. The niqab has no basis in Islam. I used to feel dismayed when I saw some of the sisters (in France) wearing the niqab. This does not give a good impression of Islam." Hassan Chalghoumi, an imam in the suburb of Drancy northeast of Paris, said he supported the law because of the veil's effect on women.
Yusuf al Qaradawi, a prominent Islamic scholar stated that in his view "the niqab is not obligatory" while criticising France for violating the freedom of those Muslim women who hold the view that it is.
Amnesty International condemned the passage of the bill in the Assembly as a violation of the freedom of expression of those women who wear the burqa or hijab.
Charing Ball writes in The Atlanta Post: "The problem with the ban is that Sarkozy and the law’s supporters fail to see how the banning of clothing, which many women wear for religious reasons, will most likely further marginalize these devout-religious women by making it impossible for them to engage in work, school and other social activities. Ironically, Sarkozy claims that “equality” is the motive behind instituting the law.
In addition, the question of what differentiates secular society from what some folks deem as symbols of extremist Islam is being settled on the bodies of women. Women are being used as some sort of litmus test to determine what are ‘acceptable’ practices of a religion. Hence, France’s ban on burqas is nothing more than a brash throwback to colonialism when the subjugation of a group’s customs and traditions where justified as a way of ‘saving’ them from their barbaric and primitive ways. In essence, France’s racism, sexism and xenophobic is as thinly veiled as the burqa."
A Short History of Veil
Even though at present time veil and covering of hair is mostly associated with Muslims or Islamic practices, this has very ancient history pre-dating thousands of years BC.
The first recorded instance of veiling for women is recorded in an Assyrian legal text from the 13th century BCE, which restricted its use to noble women. Assyrian kings first introduced both the seclusion of women in the royal harem and the veil. Prostitutes and slaves, however, were forbidden against wearing veil, and were punished if they disobeyed this law.
Classical Greek and Hellenistic statues sometimes depict Greek women with both their head and face covered by a veil. Scholars think that it was commonplace for women (at least those of higher status) in ancient Greece to cover their hair and face in public. Beyond the Near East, the practice of hiding one's face and largely living in seclusion appeared in classical Greece, in the Byzantine Christian world, in Persia, and in India among upper caste Rajput women.
In Judaism, Christianity and Islam the concept of covering the head is or was associated with propriety. All traditional depictions of the Virgin Mary, the mother of Christ, show her veiled. Veiling was a common practice with church-going women until the 1960s, and a number of very traditional churches retain the custom. In India, Hindu women veil for traditional purposes, it is custom in rural areas to veil in front of male elders. This veil is called the ghoonghat.
Muslims in their first century at first were relaxed about female dress. As Islam reached other lands, regional practices, including the covering of women, were adopted by the early Muslims. Yet it was only in the second Islamic century that the veil became common, first used among the powerful and rich as a status symbol. The Qu'ranic prescription to "draw their veils over their bosoms" became interpreted by some as an injunction to veil one's hair, neck and ears.
Throughout Islamic history only a part of the urban classes were veiled and secluded. Rural and nomadic women, the majority of the population, were not. For a woman to assume a protective veil and stay primarily within the house was a sign that her family had the means to enable her to do so.
Since nomad women rarely veiled, in the early stages of those Islamic countries with nomadic roots, women often were allowed to go unveiled, even in town. In the years of the early Safavid dynasty, women were unveiled, although the custom was changed by late Safavid times. The veil did not appear as a common rule to be followed until around the tenth century. (ref:1, ref:2)
Islam and Modesty
Dressing modestly for women, who in general are bestowed with the honor of feminine beauty has universal value. Islam simply retains and preserves this principal, as was in Abrahim tradition. Both in original Judaic and Christian traditions women dressing modestly were part of culture as well as religious observation.
Modern Christians may be surprised to read Paul's position about women covering their hair (particularly when praying). On Corinthians 11:4-16 St. Paul writes:
.. any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved. For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil.
Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head unveiled? .. if a woman has long hair it is her glory, because long hair has been given (her) for a covering? But if anyone is inclined to be argumentative, we do not have such a custom, nor do the churches of God.Modesty is a part of the teachings of the previous Prophets, and anyone who lacks it may do whatever he likes.
- Saying of Last Prophet
In Islam, as it is the natural progression of Abrahamic tradition, the same core values are lived and preserved. In the Final Testament or The Quran's principal of dress and modesty is general, broad and includes both men and women. The Quran does not stipulate veiling or seclusion; on the contrary, it tends to emphasize the participation of religious responsibility of both men and women in society. Also since there is no monastic tradition in Islam, there are no two different place of rule, unlike we see in other faith tradition like Christian nuns who wear certain dress and lay people completely disregard every boundaries. In Islamic worldview, devotion to God is part of seamless reality for women who see their family life and devotion to God without any separation and thus they strive to be in the world in a way which reflect universal spiritual value.
The Qur'anic discussion on dress centres on modesty. This is understood, first, as an avoidance of excess, and second, as the covering of nakedness. Surah al-A' raf, 7:26, speaks of clothing to cover nakedness, and clothing as a thing of beauty; but it says the garment of piety or taqwa is the best of all. The Surah then goes on to espouse in verse 31 dressing well for worship but not to do this in excess. Quranic principle requires women to dress modestly in public. Although definitions of what this entails vary regionally, many Muslim women cover themselves to some extent in deference to their religion. The question of hijab (meaning curtain or cover) appears in the Quran in the context of providing privacy to his wives since Prophet Muhammad conducted all religious and civic affairs in the mosque adjacent to his home. In that very context, hijab was the responsibility of the men and not the wives of Prophet Muhammad, who were known as Mothers of the believers.
Even though in present time many traditional muslim society as well as in the West muslim women wear different type of veil or hijab or niqab - the core principal was always modesty and doesnt require it to over-do it. Quran commands firstly the wives of the Prophet and later believing women to dress modestly and uses terms using the pre-existing dress code of women of that time. Modern scholars of Islam maintain the view that the commandment to maintain modesty must be interpreted with regard to the surrounding society.
Thanks to various culture from where people came and accepted Islam, various pre-existing dress code and idea of modesty became part of Muslim culture and they must be viewed as cultural element than religious. Dressing modestly is possible independent of culture, race, or existing practices of any other land or nation.
Commenting on France's ban on Face Veil or Burqa
via CNN
While its understandable that full face veil is not necessarily a religious obligation from Islamic point of view, but an age old cultural practice, yet banning it creates a very different situation for it. From the point of individual freedom this becomes some what disturbing. A state or country telling its citizen what to wear and what not to wear contradicts with democratic, civil values - the very values French republic so high upheld.
The sum effect of banning of Burqa most probably going to have positive effect because it encourage integration, it forces even Muslims (in Europe they have tendency to live in their own bubbles) to understand their own customs, educate themselves and separate cultural baggage from authentic teachings or practices. This also offers opportunity for Muslims to educate non-Muslims about their beliefs and the fact that those who practice Islam do not belong to a Mono-Culture. A muslim from India can be very different in his or her cultural embodiment than a Muslim from Malaysia or Turkey or California.
There is a gross misconception which is constructed around Muslim women's choice of wearing modestly, whether its covering their hair with head scarf or Hijab, Chador (cloak) or Jilbab (loose-fit garment / coat) that has to do with wrong association of women's oppression. While there are truth that women suffer from lack of freedom in many places in the world, and that more to do with cultural conditioning than anything else. Social theoretics will tell you that even if religion were removed from them, those who are obsessed in controlling and subjecting others, will find other ways to do so.
Thus seeing the choice of women wearing modestly in public, or a religion encouraging its faithful to respect boundaries should not be immediately seen through one-eyed interpretation. What is largely ignored is the voice or opinions of those who voluntarily choose to wear it out of their own choice, realization, a sign of their devotion.
To have a better perspective, CNN's religion blog features American women who decides to wear the Islamic dress and you may follow their story here:
> Read about American women who wear Islamic headscarves
> Read about two Tennessee sisters who wear the hijab
And Remember the Veil of Moses
After coming down from Mount Sinai, Moses is described as having rays of divine light beaming from his face. The Torah continues to say that Moses' face was so bright with holiness, no one dared look at him.
He had to wear a veil whenever he spoke to the people in order to filter the Divine glare.
- Exodus 34:29-35.
What about those who chose to veil themselves from the world?
Absorbed in the world and you've made it your burden.
Rise above the world, behold! there is another vision!
- Rumi
There is an alarming and dangerous tendency of stereotyping Muslims in the West, and the root cause of it is mostly ignorance. If Christian West knew their own tradition well, they would be surprised how many of the original practices of Abrahamic traditions are only preserved and visible in their Muslim neighbors. West has not yet got over with its post-colonial hangover that creates an inferiority complex that must always work its way towards Western supremacy while looking down at everything foreign to them.
In this recent debate about face-veil what is completely ignored is the sheer spiritual dimension from where a woman would like to veil herself from the world. For west where the dominating culture and icons hover around McDonalds, glorification of everything on sale including women's body and 24/7 distraction on all kind of media in the name of entertainment, it is very hard to imagine that in this world there are many for whom this world is a place of temporal abode and the reality of eternal afterlife is a much vivid reality. There are many who literally prefer to be veiled from the world and we have no rights to tell them that they can not. Whether even as a Muslim if I feel that it does not fit my religious understanding of how when it comes to covering one's face, I still have to sensitive to their point of view.
We often dont understand the deep meaning of what it means in believe in eternal after-life and why someone who internalize it can choose to live in a way removed from the super-market culture. We are no longer living in a time of people retiring in temple cell or solitary mountain cave. Yet the same spiritual impulses of seclusion from the world is still within our soul and some may still choose to embrace it - while living in the world but being above it.
Seclusion from people will become inevitable for you and preference for retreat over human associations, for the extent of your distance from creation is the extent of your closeness to God, outwardly and inwardly.
Your heart will not become clear of the mad ravings of the world except by distance from them. - Ibn Arabi
Solitude in the Crowd is a very deep rooted spiritual practice, and when this station is realized and reached by any soul, they spiritually veil themselves even when in the super market. Mystics understand this very well because they live like that. The problem of our modern day disconnect is that we may understand a metaphysical reality or be satisfied with intangible concept but when it become real - its reality is too scary for us. What these women who prefer to be veiled when in the street or super market, are practicing and embodying its very real aspect in a way which appear to be too surreal for us. Yes its true that out of 1000 who veil, if we sample or interview them, they may have very different circumstances or reasoning to be so, yet we can never generalize and immaturely assume that they all are doing it simply because they are forced or they are suppressed. Actually the reality is quite opposite and among the French women who prefer to veil themselves in public, many of them are French born Muslim reverts for whom this feeling of being only for God and their own private circle of loved ones is the most precious way of living. And there are many documented and interviewed women both in the east and west who embrace to wear modestly (and according to their own comfort level of it) in public and they do it consciously with very refined sense of spiritual and religious devotion. And who are we to tell them they can not embody that?
# Further:
* Dress and Modesty in Islam
* Discovering (not Uncovering) the Spirituality of Muslim Women by Ingrid Mattson
* Solitude in the Crowd
* Why Hijab?
* France's controversial burqa ban takes effect
# Hearing Stories from the Real People:
* Muslim women who wear the hijab and niqab explain their choice
* Living under the headscarf
* Will you ask Mother Mary to remove her scarf?PS: visit directly to http://www.mysticsaint.info for multimedia experience. Blessings, Sadiq -
Woman, know thy place - Paula Kirby - Washington Post 'On Faith'
[Rationality] (RichardDawkins.net - All Content)The discrimination against women on a global basis is very often attributable to the declaration by religious leaders in Christianity, Islam, and other religions that women are inferior in the eyes of God,” former President Jimmy Carter said last week. Many traditions teach that while both men and women are equal in value, God has ordained specific roles for men and women. Those distinct duties often keep women out of leadership positions in their religious communities. What is religion’s ro ...
The discrimination against women on a global basis is very often attributable to the declaration by religious leaders in Christianity, Islam, and other religions that women are inferior in the eyes of God,” former President Jimmy Carter said last week. Many traditions teach that while both men and women are equal in value, God has ordained specific roles for men and women. Those distinct duties often keep women out of leadership positions in their religious communities. What is religion’s role in gender discrimination?
Above is this week's question posed to the Washington Post 'On Faith' panel.
“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.”
Here, in Ephesians 5, attributed to St Paul, we have in a nutshell the church’s attitude to the respective positions of man and woman. The man’s role is to be the head, the woman’s to submit to him. The meaning is crystal clear, unmistakable; and yet, despite the fundamentalists who firmly believe such Iron Age prejudices still apply today, there are many liberal Christians who have the decency to cringe at the primitiveness of such instructions and who therefore bend over backwards to pretend they’re not as bad as they quite patently are. “Ah yes,” they say, “but Paul goes on to say that husbands must love their wives. And not just love them, but love them as they love themselves. So clearly this is a reciprocal arrangement, equal in value, imposing constraints of equal weight on both man and wife. All is well with the world and we can continue to pretend that Christianity is the friend of women.” But no. All is not well with the world, and only the deluded or the disingenuous could claim to see equality where there is only subservience.
It is interesting to note the context in which this infamous passage occurs: immediately following the commandment to women to submit to their husbands we find the commandment to children to obey their parents, and to slaves to obey their owners. No amount of instruction to the husbands, parents and owners in question not to ruthlessly exploit their positions of power can alter the fact that women are classed with children and slaves when it comes to their social standing, freedom and self-determination and, like them, are called on to embrace their inferior status with cheerfulness and enthusiasm. In this same sequence of instructions slave-owners are exhorted not to threaten their slaves. Does this make slavery acceptable? Of course not. Only religion could attempt to present such a loathsome idea as though it were not a blot on the dignity of humankind, and the requirement for women always to submit to their menfolk is no less repugnant.
The truth is that the Abrahamic religions fear women and therefore go to extraordinary and sometimes brutal lengths to control them, constrain them, and repress them in every way. Show me a non-religious society that feels so threatened by the thought of female sexuality that it will slice off the clitoris of a young girl to ensure she can never experience sexual pleasure. Show me a non-religious society that feels the need to cloak women from head to toe and force them to experience the outside world through a slit of a few square inches. All three Abrahamic religions share the myth of Adam and Eve, the myth that it was through woman that evil was let loose in the world. They share the heritage of Leviticus, which declared a menstruating woman unclean, to be set aside, untouched, a revulsion that remains even today among some orthodox Jews, who will refuse to shake a woman’s hand for fear she may be menstruating. What kind of lunacy is this? It is the lunacy of a Bronze Age mindset fossilized by the reactionary forces of religion.
And perish the thought that these religions – in their alleged equal valuing of women – should permit them actually to control their own bodies! Women exist for the purposes of reproduction! So let them reproduce! Let them reproduce, whether they wish it or not. Woe unto the woman who dares to engage in sex without being willing to conceive as a result! Woe unto the woman who uses contraception to control her fertility and manage the size of her family! And a hundred times woe unto the woman who actually dares to terminate a pregnancy she does not want! The question of abortion illustrates perfectly the role of women so far as the church is concerned. A woman’s reproductive organs are not her own, and she may not be permitted to decide what happens to them. The Catholic Church would forbid abortion, even when the mother’s life is at risk if she continues with the pregnancy. It would forbid it, even if she has been raped and is carrying the child of her violator. How much clearer could it be that the woman has value only as the carrier of a man’s child and has in herself no intrinsic worth whatsoever?
In the eyes of the Abrahamic religions, the archetypal woman is Eve: disobedient, unreliable, easily led astray, and a seductive temptress of man – man being more noble, yet easy prey to the wiles and seductions of his weaker mate. Woman is the source of danger, the one who corrupts him, the conduit for all that is evil in the world. She is dangerous … yet irresistible; and this very irresistibility makes her more dangerous still. But you will notice that the dangers of sexual temptation are not to be faced equally by men and women: no, religion demands that it is the woman who bears the burden. Solomon, we are told, had 700 wives and 300 concubines, and David had a more modest yet still energy-sapping five wives and 10 concubines, yet neither of these has become a by-word for male insatiability. Jezebel, on the other hand, has become synonymous with sexual excess, despite this not being among the vices attributed to her in the bible story. Fundamentalist Islam, far from requiring its male followers to control their lusts and take responsibility for them, conceals its women in hideous, sexless sacks, depriving them of their beauty and their individuality, literally even their ability to breathe freely – and still permits polygamy, though only for men, of course. And have you ever stopped to wonder what became of the male lover of the woman taken in adultery in the Gospel of John? Why wasn’t he threatened with execution by stoning and hauled before Jesus?
The New Testament is woefully short of significant female characters, and a brief look at those who do make it to the hall of fame will suffice to tell us exactly how they were perceived. On the one hand we have Mary Magdalene – the prostitute. And on the other we have Mary the mother of Jesus – the virgin. To paraphrase the late Dorothy Parker, the New Testament’s view of women runs the full gamut from A to B. Prostitute or virgin: take your pick, ladies. The woman who engages in sex with multiple men is held up as the epitome of fallenness, brokenness, wickedness; as one so corrupt that Jesus’s willingness to forgive her is seen as bordering on the miraculous. And at the same time we are offered as our ideal, our aspiration, our role-model – the eternal virgin: sexless, locked forever in a childlike state; devoid of sexual passion or sensuality; obedient, self-sacrificing, selfless: a woman, in other words, from whom all that would make her fully human, let alone fully woman, has been stripped. Here, finally, is the woman that religion need not fear. This is the highest ideal to which a Christian woman may aspire: a cardboard cut-out of womanhood, a mere handmaid, silent, submissive, a vessel for the production of babies, passively and gratefully accepting her fate.
Religion is one lie after another: the lie of original sin, the lie of eternal life, the lie of hell, the lie of answered prayer, the lie that life can have no meaning without religion, the lie that religion is the source of morality, the lie of creationism, the lie of a spy-in-the-sky who hears your every word and reads your every thought. And to this list we must add the lie that it views men and women as equal. It has got away for so long with the kind of lunatic word-games that allow death-by-torture to be presented as an act of love, and eternal torment in the flames of hell to be seen as a necessary act of justice, that we should perhaps not be surprised that it has also managed to dupe its followers into seeing the systematic suppression and silencing of women as an act of liberation and equality. Nevertheless, it is a lie, like all the others: a cynical and wicked lie. It is time women everywhere woke up to it.
Original article here, under the title 'Religion lies about women'.
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What does a 147 word sentence sound like?
[Speaking] (Max Atkinson's Blog)Looking for suitable video clips for a presentation at the UK Speechwriters' Guild conference on 'We do, do God' later this week took me back to the Archbishop of Canterbury's lecture on Sharia law three years ago. Although it aroused a great deal of media interest and controversy at the time, I very much doubt whether many of the commentators managed to read or watch all the way through - both of which you can have a go at doing below. If you do, you might like to ask yourself the question that ...
Looking for suitable video clips for a presentation at the UK Speechwriters' Guild conference on 'We do, do God' later this week took me back to the Archbishop of Canterbury's lecture on Sharia law three years ago.
Although it aroused a great deal of media interest and controversy at the time, I very much doubt whether many of the commentators managed to read or watch all the way through - both of which you can have a go at doing below. If you do, you might like to ask yourself the question that I couldn't get out of my mind while going through it, namely:
Is this the most boring and incomprehensible lecture you've ever heard?To be fair, I ought to be grateful to the Archbishop for providing part of the script (and the biggest laughs) in a comedy sketch written just after he'd given the lecture (HERE). The extract that achieved this was the following sentence made up of 147 words.
But, when we know that the average sentence length in effective speeches is sixteen words, how on earth could anyone justify including one that's more than nine times longer than that?
After reading and listening to it quite a few times, I'm still none the wiser about what it means. And you don't have to go very far through the rest of the lecture to find plenty of similar examples of long-winded incomprehensibility.
The 147 word sentence:
'The rule of law is thus not the enshrining of priority for the universal/abstract dimension of social existence but the establishing of a space accessible to everyone in which it is possible to affirm and defend a commitment to human dignity as such, independent of membership in any specific human community or tradition, so that when specific communities or traditions are in danger of claiming finality for their own boundaries of practice and understanding, they are reminded that they have to come to terms with the actuality of human diversity - and that the only way of doing this is to acknowledge the category of 'human dignity as such' – a non-negotiable assumption that each agent (with his or her historical and social affiliations) could be expected to have a voice in the shaping of some common project for the well-being and order of a human group.'
Was the appointment of Dr Williams a Papist plot?A friend of mine believes that it was no coincidence that Tony Blair was thinking about converting to Roman Catholicism when he elevated Rowan Williams to the top Anglican job, and that his selection of such a hopeless communicator was proof that Blair was serving as a secret agent for the Pope with a view to bringing the Church of England into disrepute.
At the time, I thought it rather a good joke, but the more I've seen of the Archbishop's communication skills since then, the more I'm beginning to wonder whether there might be more than a grain of truth to the theory.
See what you think:
The lecture in full:
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams: foundation lecture at the Royal Courts of Justice 'Civil and Religious Law in England: a Religious Perspective', 7 February 2008
Script:
The title of this series of lectures signals the existence of what is very widely felt to be a growing challenge in our society – that is, the presence of communities which, while no less 'law-abiding' than the rest of the population, relate to something other than the British legal system alone. But, as I hope to suggest, the issues that arise around what level of public or legal recognition, if any, might be allowed to the legal provisions of a religious group, are not peculiar to Islam: we might recall that, while the law of the Church of England is the law of the land, its daily operation is in the hands of authorities to whom considerable independence is granted. And beyond the specific issues that arise in relation to the practicalities of recognition or delegation, there are large questions in the background about what we understand by and expect from the law, questions that are more sharply focused than ever in a largely secular social environment. I shall therefore be concentrating on certain issues around Islamic law to begin with, in order to open up some of these wider matters.
Among the manifold anxieties that haunt the discussion of the place of Muslims in British society, one of the strongest, reinforced from time to time by the sensational reporting of opinion polls, is that Muslim communities in this country seek the freedom to live under sharia law. And what most people think they know of sharia is that it is repressive towards women and wedded to archaic and brutal physical punishments; just a few days ago, it was reported that a 'forced marriage' involving a young woman with learning difficulties had been 'sanctioned under sharia law' – the kind of story that, in its assumption that we all 'really' know what is involved in the practice of sharia, powerfully reinforces the image of – at best – a pre-modern system in which human rights have no role. The problem is freely admitted by Muslim scholars. 'In the West', writes Tariq Ramadan in his groundbreaking Western Muslims and the Future of Islam, 'the idea of Sharia calls up all the darkest images of Islam...It has reached the extent that many Muslim intellectuals do not dare even to refer to the concept for fear of frightening people or arousing suspicion of all their work by the mere mention of the word' (p.31). Even when some of the more dramatic fears are set aside, there remains a great deal of uncertainty about what degree of accommodation the law of the land can and should give to minority communities with their own strongly entrenched legal and moral codes. As such, this is not only an issue about Islam but about other faith groups, including Orthodox Judaism; and indeed it spills over into some of the questions which have surfaced sharply in the last twelve months about the right of religious believers in general to opt out of certain legal provisions – as in the problems around Roman Catholic adoption agencies which emerged in relation to the Sexual Orientation Regulations last spring.
This lecture will not attempt a detailed discussion of the nature of sharia, which would be far beyond my competence; my aim is only, as I have said, to tease out some of the broader issues around the rights of religious groups within a secular state, with a few thought about what might be entailed in crafting a just and constructive relationship between Islamic law and the statutory law of the United Kingdom. But it is important to begin by dispelling one or two myths about sharia; so far from being a monolithic system of detailed enactments, sharia designates primarily – to quote Ramadan again – 'the expression of the universal principles of Islam [and] the framework and the thinking that makes for their actualization in human history' (32). Universal principles: as any Muslim commentator will insist, what is in view is the eternal and absolute will of God for the universe and for its human inhabitants in particular; but also something that has to be 'actualized', not a ready-made system. If shar' designates the essence of the revealed Law, sharia is the practice of actualizing and applying it; while certain elements of the sharia are specified fairly exactly in the Qur'an and Sunna and in the hadith recognised as authoritative in this respect, there is no single code that can be identified as 'the' sharia. And when certain states impose what they refer to as sharia or when certain Muslim activists demand its recognition alongside secular jurisdictions, they are usually referring not to a universal and fixed code established once for all but to some particular concretisation of it at the hands of a tradition of jurists. In the hands of contemporary legal traditionalists, this means simply that the application of sharia must be governed by the judgements of representatives of the classical schools of legal interpretation. But there are a good many voices arguing for an extension of the liberty of ijtihad – basically reasoning from first principles rather than simply the collation of traditional judgements (see for example Louis Gardet, 'Un prealable aux questions soulevees par les droits de l'homme: l'actualisation de la Loi religieuse musulmane aujourd'hui', Islamochristiana 9, 1983, 1-12, and Abdullah Saeed, 'Trends in Contemporary Islam: a Preliminary Attempt at a Classification', The Muslim World, 97:3, 2007, 395-404, esp. 401-2).
Thus, in contrast to what is sometimes assumed, we do not simply have a standoff between two rival legal systems when we discuss Islamic and British law. On the one hand, sharia depends for its legitimacy not on any human decision, not on votes or preferences, but on the conviction that it represents the mind of God; on the other, it is to some extent unfinished business so far as codified and precise provisions are concerned. To recognise sharia is to recognise a method of jurisprudence governed by revealed texts rather than a single system. In a discussion based on a paper from Mona Siddiqui at a conference last year at Al Akhawayn University in Morocco, the point was made by one or two Muslim scholars that an excessively narrow understanding sharia as simply codified rules can have the effect of actually undermining the universal claims of the Qur'an.
But while such universal claims are not open for renegotiation, they also assume the voluntary consent or submission of the believer, the free decision to be and to continue a member of the ummaSharia is not, in that sense, intrinsically to do with any demand for Muslim dominance over non-Muslims. Both historically and in the contemporary context, Muslim states have acknowledged that membership of the umma is not coterminous with membership in a particular political society: in modern times, the clearest articulation of this was in the foundation of the Pakistani state under Jinnah; but other examples (Morocco, Jordan) could be cited of societies where there is a concept of citizenship that is not identical with belonging to the umma. Such societies, while not compromising or weakening the possibility of unqualified belief in the authority and universality of sharia, or even the privileged status of Islam in a nation, recognise that there can be no guarantee that the state is religiously homogeneous and that the relationships in which the individual stands and which define him or her are not exclusively with other Muslims. There has therefore to be some concept of common good that is not prescribed solely in terms of revealed Law, however provisional or imperfect such a situation is thought to be. And this implies in turn that the Muslim, even in a predominantly Muslim state, has something of a dual identity, as citizen and as believer within the community of the faithful.
It is true that this account would be hotly contested by some committed Islamic primitivists, by followers of Sayyid Qutb and similar polemicists; but it is fair to say that the great body of serious jurists in the Islamic world would recognise this degree of political plurality as consistent with Muslim integrity. In this sense, while (as I have said) we are not talking about two rival systems on the same level, there is some community of understanding between Islamic social thinking and the categories we might turn to in the non-Muslim world for the understanding of law in the most general context. There is a recognition that our social identities are not constituted by one exclusive set of relations or mode of belonging – even if one of those sets is regarded as relating to the most fundamental and non-negotiable level of reality, as established by a 'covenant' between the divine and the human (as in Jewish and Christian thinking; once again, we are not talking about an exclusively Muslim problem). The danger arises not only when there is an assumption on the religious side that membership of the community (belonging to the umma or the Church or whatever) is the only significant category, so that participation in other kinds of socio-political arrangement is a kind of betrayal. It also occurs when secular government assumes a monopoly in terms of defining public and political identity. There is a position – not at all unfamiliar in contemporary discussion – which says that to be a citizen is essentially and simply to be under the rule of the uniform law of a sovereign state, in such a way that any other relations, commitments or protocols of behaviour belong exclusively to the realm of the private and of individual choice. As I have maintained in several other contexts, this is a very unsatisfactory account of political reality in modern societies; but it is also a problematic basis for thinking of the legal category of citizenship and the nature of human interdependence. Maleiha Malik, following Alasdair MacIntyre, argues in an essay on 'Faith and the State of Jurisprudence' (Faith in Law: Essays in Legal Theory, ed. Peter Oliver, Sionaidh Douglas Scott and Victor Tadros, 2000, pp.129-49) that there is a risk of assuming that 'mainstreram' jurisprudence should routinely and unquestioningly bypass the variety of ways in which actions are as a matter of fact understood by agents in the light of the diverse sorts of communal belonging they are involved in. If that is the assumption, 'the appropriate temporal unit for analysis tends to be the basic action. Instead of concentrating on the history of the individual or the origins of the social practice which provides the context within which the act is performed, conduct tends to be studied as an isolated and one-off act' (139-40). And another essay in the same collection, Anthony Bradney's 'Faced by Faith' (89-105) offers some examples of legal rulings which have disregarded the account offered by religious believers of the motives for their own decisions, on the grounds that the court alone is competent to assess the coherence or even sincerity of their claims. And when courts attempt to do this on the grounds of what is 'generally acceptable' behaviour in a society, they are open, Bradney claims (102-3) to the accusation of undermining the principle of liberal pluralism by denying someone the right to speak in their own voice. The distinguished ecclesiastical lawyer, Chancellor Mark Hill, has also underlined in a number of recent papers the degree of confusion that has bedevilled recent essays in adjudicating disputes with a religious element, stressing the need for better definition of the kind of protection for religious conscience that the law intends (see particularly his essay with Russell Sandberg, 'Is Nothing Sacred? Clashing Symbols in a Secular World', Public Law 3, 2007, pp.488-506).
I have argued recently in a discussion of the moral background to legislation about incitement to religious hatred that any crime involving religious offence has to be thought about in terms of its tendency to create or reinforce a position in which a religious person or group could be gravely disadvantaged in regard to access to speaking in public in their own right: offence needs to be connected to issues of power and status, so that a powerful individual or group making derogatory or defamatory statements about a disadvantaged minority might be thought to be increasing that disadvantage. The point I am making here is similar. If the law of the land takes no account of what might be for certain agents a proper rationale for behaviour – for protest against certain unforeseen professional requirements, for instance, which would compromise religious discipline or belief – it fails in a significant way to communicate with someone involved in the legal process (or indeed to receive their communication), and so, on at least one kind of legal theory (expounded recently, for example, by R.A. Duff), fails in one of its purposes.
The implications are twofold. There is a plain procedural question – and neither Bradney nor Malik goes much beyond this – about how existing courts function and what weight is properly give to the issues we have been discussing. But there is a larger theoretical and practical issue about what it is to live under more than one jurisdiction., which takes us back to the question we began with – the role of sharia (or indeed Orthodox Jewish practice) in relation to the routine jurisdiction of the British courts. In general, when there is a robust affirmation that the law of the land should protect individuals on the grounds of their corporate religious identity and secure their freedom to fulfil religious duties, a number of queries are regularly raised. I want to look at three such difficulties briefly. They relate both to the question of whether there should be a higher level of attention to religious identity and communal rights in the practice of the law, and to the larger issue I mentioned of something like a delegation of certain legal functions to the religious courts of a community; and this latter question, it should be remembered, is relevant not only to Islamic law but also to areas of Orthodox Jewish practice.
The first objection to a higher level of public legal regard being paid to communal identity is that it leaves legal process (including ordinary disciplinary process within organisations) at the mercy of what might be called vexatious appeals to religious scruple. A recent example might be the reported refusal of a Muslim woman employed by Marks and Spencer to handle a book of Bible stories. Or we might think of the rather more serious cluster of questions around forced marriages, where again it is crucial to distinguish between cultural and strictly religious dimensions. While Bradney rightly cautions against the simple dismissal of alleged scruple by judicial authorities who have made no attempt to understand its workings in the construction of people's social identities, it should be clear also that any recognition of the need for such sensitivity must also have a recognised means of deciding the relative seriousness of conscience-related claims, a way of distinguishing purely cultural habits from seriously-rooted matters of faith and discipline, and distinguishing uninformed prejudice from religious prescription. There needs to be access to recognised authority acting for a religious group: there is already, of course, an Islamic Shari'a Council, much in demand for rulings on marital questions in the UK; and if we were to see more latitude given in law to rights and scruples rooted in religious identity, we should need a much enhanced and quite sophisticated version of such a body, with increased resource and a high degree of community recognition, so that 'vexatious' claims could be summarily dealt with. The secular lawyer needs to know where the potential conflict is real, legally and religiously serious, and where it is grounded in either nuisance or ignorance. There can be no blank cheques given to unexamined scruples.
The second issue, a very serious one, is that recognition of 'supplementary jurisdiction' in some areas, especially family law, could have the effect of reinforcing in minority communities some of the most repressive or retrograde elements in them, with particularly serious consequences for the role and liberties of women. The 'forced marriage' question is the one most often referred to here, and it is at the moment undoubtedly a very serious and scandalous one; but precisely because it has to do with custom and culture rather than directly binding enactments by religious authority, I shall refer to another issue. It is argued that the provision for the inheritance of widows under a strict application of sharia has the effect of disadvantaging them in what the majority community might regard as unacceptable ways. A legal (in fact Qur'anic) provision which in its time served very clearly to secure a widow's position at a time when this was practically unknown in the culture becomes, if taken absolutely literally, a generator of relative insecurity in a new context (see, for example, Ann Elizabeth Mayer, Islam and Human Rights. Tradition and Politics, 1999, p.111). The problem here is that recognising the authority of a communal religious court to decide finally and authoritatively about such a question would in effect not merely allow an additional layer of legal routes for resolving conflicts and ordering behaviour but would actually deprive members of the minority community of rights and liberties that they were entitled to enjoy as citizens; and while a legal system might properly admit structures or protocols that embody the diversity of moral reasoning in a plural society by allowing scope for a minority group to administer its affairs according to its own convictions, it can hardly admit or 'license' protocols that effectively take away the rights it acknowledges as generally valid.
To put the question like that is already to see where an answer might lie, though it is not an answer that will remove the possibility of some conflict. If any kind of plural jurisdiction is recognised, it would presumably have to be under the rubric that no 'supplementary' jurisdiction could have the power to deny access to the rights granted to other citizens or to punish its members for claiming those rights. This is in effect to mirror what a minority might themselves be requesting – that the situation should not arise where membership of one group restricted the freedom to live also as a member of an overlapping group, that (in this case) citizenship in a secular society should not necessitate the abandoning of religious discipline, any more than religious discipline should deprive one of access to liberties secured by the law of the land, to the common benefits of secular citizenship – or, better, to recognise that citizenship itself is a complex phenomenon not bound up with any one level of communal belonging but involving them all.
But this does not guarantee an absence of conflict. In the particular case we have mentioned, the inheritance rights of widows, it is already true that some Islamic societies have themselves proved flexible (Malaysia is a case in point). But let us take a more neuralgic matter still: what about the historic Islamic prohibition against apostasy, and the draconian penalties entailed? In a society where freedom of religion is secured by law, it is obviously impossible for any group to claim that conversion to another faith is simply disallowed or to claim the right to inflict punishment on a convert. We touch here on one of the most sensitive areas not only in thinking about legal practice but also in interfaith relations. A significant number of contemporary Islamic jurists and scholars would say that the Qur'anic pronouncements on apostasy which have been regarded as the ground for extreme penalties reflect a situation in which abandoning Islam was equivalent to adopting an active stance of violent hostility to the community, so that extreme penalties could be compared to provisions in other jurisdictions for punishing spies or traitors in wartime; but that this cannot be regarded as bearing on the conditions now existing in the world. Of course such a reading is wholly unacceptable to 'primitivists' in Islam, for whom this would be an example of a rationalising strategy, a style of interpretation (ijtihad) uncontrolled by proper traditional norms. But, to use again the terminology suggested a moment ago, as soon as it is granted that – even in a dominantly Islamic society – citizens have more than one set of defining relationships under the law of the state, it becomes hard to justify enactments that take it for granted that the only mode of contact between these sets of relationships is open enmity; in which case, the appropriateness of extreme penalties for conversion is not obvious even within a fairly strict Muslim frame of reference. Conversely, where the dominant legal culture is non-Islamic, but there is a level of serious recognition of the corporate reality and rights of the umma, there can be no assumption that outside the umma the goal of any other jurisdiction is its destruction. Once again, there has to be a recognition that difference of conviction is not automatically a lethal threat.
As I have said, this is a delicate and complex matter involving what is mostly a fairly muted but nonetheless real debate among Muslim scholars in various contexts. I mention it partly because of its gravity as an issue in interfaith relations and in discussions of human rights and the treatment of minorities, partly to illustrate how the recognition of what I have been calling membership in different but overlapping sets of social relationship (what others have called 'multiple affiliations') can provide a framework for thinking about these neuralgic questions of the status of women and converts. Recognising a supplementary jurisdiction cannot mean recognising a liberty to exert a sort of local monopoly in some areas. The Jewish legal theorist Ayelet Shachar, in a highly original and significant monograph on Multicultural Jurisdictions: Cultural Differences and Women's Rights (2001), explores the risks of any model that ends up 'franchising' a non-state jurisdiction so as to reinforce its most problematic features and further disadvantage its weakest members: 'we must be alert', she writes, 'to the potentially injurious effects of well-meaning external protections upon different categories of group members here – effects which may unwittingly exacerbate preexisting internal power hierarchies' (113). She argues that if we are serious in trying to move away from a model that treats one jurisdiction as having a monopoly of socially defining roles and relations, we do not solve any problems by a purely uncritical endorsement of a communal legal structure which can only be avoided by deciding to leave the community altogether. We need, according to Shachar, to 'work to overcome the ultimatum of "either your culture or your rights"' (114).
So the second objection to an increased legal recognition of communal religious identities can be met if we are prepared to think about the basic ground rules that might organise the relationship between jurisdictions, making sure that we do not collude with unexamined systems that have oppressive effect or allow shared public liberties to be decisively taken away by a supplementary jurisdiction. Once again, there are no blank cheques. I shall return to some of the details of Shachar's positive proposal; but I want to move on to the third objection, which grows precisely out of the complexities of clarifying the relations between jurisdictions. Is it not both theoretically and practically mistaken to qualify our commitment to legal monopoly? So much of our thinking in the modern world, dominated by European assumptions about universal rights, rests, surely, on the basis that the law is the law; that everyone stands before the public tribunal on exactly equal terms, so that recognition of corporate identities or, more seriously, of supplementary jurisdictions is simply incoherent if we want to preserve the great political and social advances of Western legality.
There is a bit of a risk here in the way we sometimes talk about the universal vision of post-Enlightenment politics. The great protest of the Enlightenment was against authority that appealed only to tradition and refused to justify itself by other criteria – by open reasoned argument or by standards of successful provision of goods and liberties for the greatest number. Its claim to override traditional forms of governance and custom by looking towards a universal tribunal was entirely intelligible against the background of despotism and uncritical inherited privilege which prevailed in so much of early modern Europe. The most positive aspect of this moment in our cultural history was its focus on equal levels of accountability for all and equal levels of access for all to legal process. In this respect, it was in fact largely the foregrounding and confirming of what was already encoded in longstanding legal tradition, Roman and mediaeval, which had consistently affirmed the universality and primacy of law (even over the person of the monarch). But this set of considerations alone is not adequate to deal with the realities of complex societies: it is not enough to say that citizenship as an abstract form of equal access and equal accountability is either the basis or the entirety of social identity and personal motivation. Where this has been enforced, it has proved a weak vehicle for the life of a society and has often brought violent injustice in its wake (think of the various attempts to reduce citizenship to rational equality in the France of the 1790's or the China of the 1970's). Societies that are in fact ethnically, culturally and religiously diverse are societies in which identity is formed, as we have noted by different modes and contexts of belonging, 'multiple affiliation'. The danger is in acting as if the authority that managed the abstract level of equal citizenship represented a sovereign order which then allowed other levels to exist. But if the reality of society is plural – as many political theorists have pointed out – this is a damagingly inadequate account of common life, in which certain kinds of affiliation are marginalised or privatised to the extent that what is produced is a ghettoised pattern of social life, in which particular sorts of interest and of reasoning are tolerated as private matters but never granted legitimacy in public as part of a continuing debate about shared goods and priorities.
But this means that we have to think a little harder about the role and rule of law in a plural society of overlapping identities. Perhaps it helps to see the universalist vision of law as guaranteeing equal accountability and access primarily in a negative rather than a positive sense – that is, to see it as a mechanism whereby any human participant in a society is protected against the loss of certain elementary liberties of self-determination and guaranteed the freedom to demand reasons for any actions on the part of others for actions and policies that infringe self-determination. This is a slightly more gentle or tactful way of expressing what some legal theorists will describe as the 'monopoly of legitimate violence' by the law of a state, the absolute restriction of powers of forcible restraint to those who administer statutory law. This is not to reduce society itself primarily to an uneasy alliance of self-determining individuals arguing about the degree to which their freedom is limited by one another and needing forcible restraint in a war of all against all – though that is increasingly the model which a narrowly rights-based culture fosters, producing a manically litigious atmosphere and a conviction of the inadequacy of customary ethical restraints and traditions – of what was once called 'civility'. The picture will not be unfamiliar, and there is a modern legal culture which loves to have it so. But the point of defining legal universalism as a negative thing is that it allows us to assume, as I think we should, that the important springs of moral vision in a society will be in those areas which a systematic abstract universalism regards as 'private' – in religion above all, but also in custom and habit. The role of 'secular' law is not the dissolution of these things in the name of universalism but the monitoring of such affiliations to prevent the creation of mutually isolated communities in which human liberties are seen in incompatible ways and individual persons are subjected to restraints or injustices for which there is no public redress.
The rule of law is thus not the enshrining of priority for the universal/abstract dimension of social existence but the establishing of a space accessible to everyone in which it is possible to affirm and defend a commitment to human dignity as such, independent of membership in any specific human community or tradition, so that when specific communities or traditions are in danger of claiming finality for their own boundaries of practice and understanding, they are reminded that they have to come to terms with the actuality of human diversity - and that the only way of doing this is to acknowledge the category of 'human dignity as such' – a non-negotiable assumption that each agent (with his or her historical and social affiliations) could be expected to have a voice in the shaping of some common project for the well-being and order of a human group. It is not to claim that specific community understandings are 'superseded' by this universal principle, rather to claim that they all need to be undergirded by it. The rule of law is – and this may sound rather counterintuitive – a way of honouring what in the human constitution is not captured by any one form of corporate belonging or any particular history, even though the human constitution never exists without those other determinations. Our need, as Raymond Plant has well expressed it, is for the construction of 'a moral framework which could expand outside the boundaries of particular narratives while, at the same time, respecting the narratives as the cultural contexts in which the language [of common dignity and mutually intelligible commitments to work for certain common moral priorities] is learned and taught' (Politics, Theology and History, 2001, pp.357-8).
I'd add in passing that this is arguably a place where more reflection is needed about the theology of law; if my analysis is right, the sort of foundation I have sketched for a universal principle of legal right requires both a certain valuation of the human as such and a conviction that the human subject is always endowed with some degree of freedom over against any and every actual system of human social life; both of these things are historically rooted in Christian theology, even when they have acquired a life of their own in isolation from that theology. It never does any harm to be reminded that without certain themes consistently and strongly emphasised by the 'Abrahamic' faiths, themes to do with the unconditional possibility for every human subject to live in conscious relation with God and in free and constructive collaboration with others, there is no guarantee that a 'universalist' account of human dignity would ever have seemed plausible or even emerged with clarity. Slave societies and assumptions about innate racial superiority are as widespread a feature as any in human history (and they have persistently infected even Abrahamic communities, which is perhaps why the Enlightenment was a necessary wake-up call to religion...).
But to return to our main theme: I have been arguing that a defence of an unqualified secular legal monopoly in terms of the need for a universalist doctrine of human right or dignity is to misunderstand the circumstances in which that doctrine emerged, and that the essential liberating (and religiously informed) vision it represents is not imperilled by a loosening of the monopolistic framework. At the moment, as I mentioned at the beginning of this lecture, one of the most frequently noted problems in the law in this area is the reluctance of a dominant rights-based philosophy to acknowledge the liberty of conscientious opting-out from collaboration in procedures or practices that are in tension with the demands of particular religious groups: the assumption, in rather misleading shorthand, that if a right or liberty is granted there is a corresponding duty upon every individual to 'activate' this whenever called upon. Earlier on, I proposed that the criterion for recognising and collaborating with communal religious discipline should be connected with whether a communal jurisdiction actively interfered with liberties guaranteed by the wider society in such a way as definitively to block access to the exercise of those liberties; clearly the refusal of a religious believer to act upon the legal recognition of a right is not, given the plural character of society, a denial to anyone inside or outside the community of access to that right. The point has been granted in respect of medical professionals who may be asked to perform or co-operate in performing abortions – a perfectly reasonable example of the law doing what I earlier defined as its job, securing space for those aspects of human motivation and behaviour that cannot be finally determined by any corporate or social system. It is difficult to see quite why the principle cannot be extended in other areas. But it is undeniable that there is pressure from some quarters to insist that conscientious disagreement should always be overruled by a monopolistic understanding of jurisdiction.
I labour the point because what at first seems to be a somewhat narrow point about how Islamic law and Islamic identity should or might be regarded in our legal system in fact opens up a very wide range of current issues, and requires some general thinking about the character of law. It would be a pity if the immense advances in the recognition of human rights led, because of a misconception about legal universality, to a situation where a person was defined primarily as the possessor of a set of abstract liberties and the law's function was accordingly seen as nothing but the securing of those liberties irrespective of the custom and conscience of those groups which concretely compose a plural modern society. Certainly, no-one is likely to suppose that a scheme allowing for supplementary jurisdiction will be simple, and the history of experiments in this direction amply illustrates the problems. But if one approaches it along the lines sketched by Shachar in the monograph quoted earlier, it might be possible to think in terms of what she calls 'transformative accommodation': a scheme in which individuals retain the liberty to choose the jurisdiction under which they will seek to resolve certain carefully specified matters, so that 'power-holders are forced to compete for the loyalty of their shared constituents' (122). This may include aspects of marital law, the regulation of financial transactions and authorised structures of mediation and conflict resolution – the main areas that have been in question where supplementary jurisdictions have been tried, with native American communities in Canada as well as with religious groups like Islamic minority communities in certain contexts. In such schemes, both jurisdictional stakeholders may need to examine the way they operate; a communal/religious nomos, to borrow Shachar's vocabulary, has to think through the risks of alienating its people by inflexible or over-restrictive applications of traditional law, and a universalist Enlightenment system has to weigh the possible consequences of ghettoising and effectively disenfranchising a minority, at real cost to overall social cohesion and creativity. Hence 'transformative accommodation': both jurisdictional parties may be changed by their encounter over time, and we avoid the sterility of mutually exclusive monopolies.
It is uncomfortably true that this introduces into our thinking about law what some would see as a 'market' element, a competition for loyalty as Shachar admits. But if what we want socially is a pattern of relations in which a plurality of divers and overlapping affiliations work for a common good, and in which groups of serious and profound conviction are not systematically faced with the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty, it seems unavoidable. In other settings, I have spoken about the idea of 'interactive pluralism' as a political desideratum; this seems to be one manifestation of such an ideal, comparable to the arrangements that allow for shared responsibility in education: the best argument for faith schools from the point of view of any aspiration towards social harmony and understanding is that they bring communal loyalties into direct relation with the wider society and inevitably lead to mutual questioning and sometimes mutual influence towards change, without compromising the distinctiveness of the essential elements of those communal loyalties.
In conclusion, it seems that if we are to think intelligently about the relations between Islam and British law, we need a fair amount of 'deconstruction' of crude oppositions and mythologies, whether of the nature of sharia or the nature of the Enlightenment. But as I have hinted, I do not believe this can be done without some thinking also about the very nature of law. It is always easy to take refuge in some form of positivism; and what I have called legal universalism, when divorced from a serious theoretical (and, I would argue, religious) underpinning, can turn into a positivism as sterile as any other variety. If the paradoxical idea which I have sketched is true – that universal law and universal right are a way of recognising what is least fathomable and controllable in the human subject – theology still waits for us around the corner of these debates, however hard our culture may try to keep it out. And, as you can imagine, I am not going to complain about that.
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TV Highlights: ‘No Ordinary Family’ and ‘Lights Out’ finales; ‘Pregnant in Heels’
[News, NPR, Most Popular, Washington Post] (The Washington Post: National, World & D.C. Area News and Headlines - washingtonpost.com)Documentary “The Asian and Abrahamic Religion: A Divine Encounter In America” (WHUT at 8 p.m.), which filmed in many locations around the Washington area, looks at Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism and compares each to Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Local areas in the film include the Sri Siva Vishnu Temple in Lanham and the Wat Thai Buddhist temple in Silver Spring.
Documentary “The Asian and Abrahamic Religion: A Divine Encounter In America” (WHUT at 8 p.m.), which filmed in many locations around the Washington area, looks at Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism and compares each to Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Local areas in the film include the Sri Siva Vishnu Temple in Lanham and the Wat Thai Buddhist temple in Silver Spring.
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TV Highlights: 'No Ordinary Family' and 'Lights Out' finales; 'Pregnant in Heels' - Washington Post
[Hinduism] (HINDUISM NEWS - Google News)TV Highlights: 'No Ordinary Family' and 'Lights Out' finales; 'Pregnant in Heels' Washington Post Documentary “The Asian and Abrahamic Religion: A Divine Encounter In America” (WHUT at 8 pm), which filmed in many locations around the Washington area, looks at Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism and and more » ...
TV Highlights: 'No Ordinary Family' and 'Lights Out' finales; 'Pregnant in Heels'
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Documentary “The Asian and Abrahamic Religion: A Divine Encounter In America” (WHUT at 8 pm), which filmed in many locations around the Washington area, looks at Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism and ...
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TV Highlights: ‘No Ordinary Family’ and ‘Lights Out’ finales; ‘Pregnant in Heels’
[Religion] (On Faith - The Washington Post)Documentary “The Asian and Abrahamic Religion: A Divine Encounter In America” (WHUT at 8 p.m.), which filmed in many locations around the Washington area, looks at Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism and compares each to Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Local areas in the film include the Sri Siva Vishnu Temple in Lanham and the Wat Thai Buddhist temple in Silver Spring.
Documentary “The Asian and Abrahamic Religion: A Divine Encounter In America” (WHUT at 8 p.m.), which filmed in many locations around the Washington area, looks at Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism and compares each to Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Local areas in the film include the Sri Siva Vishnu Temple in Lanham and the Wat Thai Buddhist temple in Silver Spring.
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Christmas and Conflict ~ a Meditation
[Conflict Resolution, Law] (Negotiation Law Blog)It's Christmas Eve and I am moved to talk about religion and violence, particularly since the New York Times' most prominent Christmas story is about furious family battles over the pressing question of white lights or colored on the Christmas tree. My conflict resolver's stream of consciousness moves from family strife to violence for reasons both global and personal. Like many conflict resolvers, I am a wounded healer, raised in a family where violence alternated in alarming rapidity with the ...
It's Christmas Eve and I am moved to talk about religion and violence, particularly since the New York Times' most prominent Christmas story is about furious family battles over the pressing question of white lights or colored on the Christmas tree.
My conflict resolver's stream of consciousness moves from family strife to violence for reasons both global and personal. Like many conflict resolvers, I am a wounded healer, raised in a family where violence alternated in alarming rapidity with the denial and suppression of conflict. This created in the children of that family a desire for peace coupled with a suspicious nature prone to strike before asking questions.
It is we ~ those raised in the cauldron of violence ~ who seek peace and proclaim it while at the same time attempting to corral a pugnacious first response to threat.
That's the personal. I mention it not simply because I lack a religious confessor to urge me toward true acts of contrition, but also because the personal is inextricably interlinked the political, particularly when it comes to religion.
Religious Peace and Violence
How and why do we translate our personal weakness for the cutting remark or barroom brawl into religious and political dogma? The "how" is often simply reflexive. The author of The Brain Rules tells us that these are the questions we ask when we see a stranger.
Can I eat it?
Will it eat me?
Can I mate with it?
Will it mate with me?
The "how" is also the "why" with the added apprehension that religious beliefs are based on faith and too often require the faithful to convert the unconverted by means intellectually persuasive or violently coercive.
Thus the human condition.
The Peace Part
Someone schooled in Buddhism once told me that "the world being dual, the best we can do is lean toward the light."
Many people schooled in Christianity have told me in and out of religious congregations that the profound fallibility that burdens all of us is precisely what makes us human. It is only our willingness to accept forgiveness that takes us into the neighborhood of God. Incapable of perfection, we are saved by grace. Once saved, we are moved to express that which God has expressed in us and we become agents of forgiveness and reconciliation ourselves. We will never, however, stop "sinning." The grace given is compassion for our fallibility, not the perfection of our "fallen" nature.
My Jewish friends refer me to Tikkun Olam - the principle of the world as both spiritually and materially broken ~ and in need of repair. They also tell me about the 36 righteous people whose role in life is to justify the purpose of humankind in the eyes of God.
My evolutionist friends tell me that we share with the forebears from whom we separated fifty million years ago a compelling emotional response to injustice. We also share with these distant relatives the same cognitive biases that make us respond irrationally to giving and getting. TED video on this topic below.
My Muslim friends acknowledge the violence in their sacred text which is not significantly different from that in the sacred Jewish and Christian tomes. These teachings, all in the Abrahamic tradition, can be read leaning toward the light or toward the darkness. Muslim organizations for peace are prevalent and powerful.
As a nearly fully secularized humanist raised with the values of mainstream mid-twentieth century Protestantism and dipped in evangelical Christianity in high school, I commit my spirit to the grace of a god I am too limited to understand, too skeptical to believe in without great struggle, and too fallible to kick the gift-horse of grace in the teeth.
A list of my favorite books on religion and/or violence/peace are my Christmas present to my readers.
The Ambivalence of the Sacred by Scott Appleby, a great use for the Amazon gift cards you're getting for your Kindle this holiday season.
Conflict Revolution ~ Mediating Evil, War, Injustice and Terrorism by Ken Cloke.
Bargaining with the Devil ~ When to Negotiate, When to Fight by Robert Mnookin.
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The End of Religion
[Islam, Muslim] (islam « WordPress.com Tag Feed)I wrote a post about each of the three Abrahamic religions in a satirical style to make a specific p ...
I wrote a post about each of the three Abrahamic religions in a satirical style to make a specific p -
[ Religion & Spirituality ] Open Question : Wiccans and other Pagans, do any of your religions have rules about women having to cover their hair?
[Q & A] (Yahoo! Answers: Latest Questions)Wiccans and other Pagans, do any of your religions have rules about women having to cover their hair? All three of the major Abrahamic religions have strict rules that women must cover their hair. As one of the most populous NON-Abrahamic religions, I was wondering if you had rules like this as well. I was curious if they might have those rules because of a local cultural belief that got out of hand, and that your religion might not suffer from it. By the way, Abrahamic means Christian, Musli ...
Wiccans and other Pagans, do any of your religions have rules about women having to cover their hair? All three of the major Abrahamic religions have strict rules that women must cover their hair. As one of the most populous NON-Abrahamic religions, I was wondering if you had rules like this as well. I was curious if they might have those rules because of a local cultural belief that got out of hand, and that your religion might not suffer from it. By the way, Abrahamic means Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc. I DO have at least one Pagan friend who does insist on wearing a full hair covering (she does call it a burka) in public. She is a practicing Pagan/Heathen and says that it makes her feel more comfortable because she is "covered". -
Is there going to be another Abrahamic faith soon, and will it be ...
[Baha'i Faith] (bahai faith - Google Blog Search)That's the only way I see another religion forming from the Abrahamic faith. Reply. Comment by Hellbound Ty™: No Chance Without Jeebus. 2010-11-23 22:30:39. Unlikely. There's the Baha'i' faith which believes in Mohammed and several ...
That's the only way I see another religion forming from the Abrahamic faith. Reply. Comment by Hellbound Ty™: No Chance Without Jeebus. 2010-11-23 22:30:39. Unlikely. There's the Baha'i' faith which believes in Mohammed and several ... -
Should Jon Stewart have booked Cat Stevens at the Rally to Restore Sanity?
[Washington, D.C.] (TBD All News)More than two weeks after Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert's Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear, there is still debate over the comedians’ decision to bring Cat Stevens/Yusuf onto the same stage that was later graced by the likes of R2D2 and a giant evil Stephen Colbert marionette. Politico's Ben Smith referred to Yusuf's inclusion as "a dissonant note"; Associated Content's Mark Whittington struck a clanger of his own, alleging Yusuf "wants to kill people out of religious f ...
More than two weeks after Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert's Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear, there is still debate over the comedians’ decision to bring Cat Stevens/Yusuf onto the same stage that was later graced by the likes of R2D2 and a giant evil Stephen Colbert marionette.
Politico's Ben Smith referred to Yusuf's inclusion as "a dissonant note"; Associated Content's Mark Whittington struck a clanger of his own, alleging Yusuf "wants to kill people out of religious frenzy."
Much of the criticisms of Yusuf’s presence at the Rally have been rooted in statements the singer made about Salman Rushdie (who read last night at Sixth and I Historic Synagogue), his controversial novel The Satanic Verses, and the fatwa issued by Ayatollah Sayyed Ruhollah Moosavi Khomeini calling for Rushdie's death for what he saw as blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
On his website, Yusuf says his statements regarding Rushdie and the fatwa were taken out of context. He says his remarks had more to do with actual Islamic statements on acts of blasphemy (which he points out are in line with those of the other two Abrahamic faiths) as a larger concept and less to do with Salman Rushdie himself. (Yusuf did not respond to TBD's request for comment.)
The statements Yusuf is talking about come from when he was on a panel for a BBC television program called Hypotheticals.
The episode “A Satanic Scenario” aired during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan in 1989. When asked how he would react to seeing Salman Rushdie at a halal restaurant, Yusuf responded “depends on my mood that evening. I may concentrate more on my meal.” Asked if Rushdie deserves to die, Yusuf responded “yes” twice without further clarification. Yusuf was then asked if he has a duty to be Rushdie’s executioner, to which he replied, “No, not necessarily, unless we were in an Islamic state and I was ordered by the judge or authority to carry out such an act.” Though the order of questioning on the original program is not entirely clear, Yusuf does say that he would have phoned the Ayatollah Khomieni and told him exactly where Rushdie was. On whether he would attend a demonstration where the effigy of Rushdie was burned and clubbed, Yusuf said he “would have hoped it would be the real thing,” but that if it was just an effigy “I don’t think I’d be that moved to go there.”
Addressing this specific instance online, Yusuf says “these comments were part of a well-known British national trait; a touch of dry humor on my part… they are full of occasionally grotesque and sardonic jokes if you want them!” He then goes on to say that “the final edit of the program was made to look extremely serious; hardly any laughs were left in and much common sense was savagely cut out.” Thus, according to Yusuf and “Most of the Muslim participants in the program” who “wrote in and complained about the narrow and selective use of their comments, surreptitiously selected out of the 3-hour long recording of the debate,” the editing of the program left the “balanced arguments” on the cutting room floor while “the most sensational quotes, [were] preserved.”
One person who simply does not buy Yusuf's explanations, no matter how elaborate they may be, is Juan Cole, a blogger and professor of history at the University of Michigan. To Cole, Yusuf's explanations and accusations of misinterpreted statements amount to "weasel words" and an attempt at "explaining away" a controversial position that Cole sees as "a foretaste of al-Qaeda’s own death warrant served on a lot of other innocent people." Cole believes the milieu embodied by statements calling for "the execution of Salman Rushdie" just 10 years after Yusuf's initial conversion highlighted "how sick some forms of Muslim activism had become" at the time.
As a scholar at Cambridge University in the early 1990s, Akbar Ahmed, Ibn Khaldun chair of Islamic Studies at American University, elaborates on the milieu Cole referred to,which he experienced firsthand. "The Muslim community was very agitated,” he says of that time. “They had created a red line in the sand. All Muslims were expected to side with the fatwa and against Rushdie. Therefore suggesting implicitly or explicitly that Khomieni’s fatwa should be implemented.” Ahmed sees how this attitude could have led Yusuf to feel as if he "had to show how loyal he was” by condemning Rushdie.
Ahmed had two encounters with Rushdie in the 1990s. In 1991 Ahmed interviewed Rushdie for the Guardian. He was the the first Muslim academic to do so after the fatwa. A few years later Rushdie turned out to be a surprise a guest on a BBC radio program on which Ahmed was also appearing. After that, Ahmed says, Muslims in Cambridge began to vocalize their disapproval of the unexpected encounter: “‘You should have killed him,’ they said. I responded first by stating that I don’t believe in the fatwa.” Ahmed turned to sarcasm. “I said, ‘even if I believed in it, it would have been very difficult because there were a lot of mics on the table.’ These Muslims actually told me ‘you should have jumped over the mics and killed him.’”
Perhaps the most telling and powerful explanation for Yusuf's statements about Rushdie comes from his answers about why he no longer dons 'Muslim robes' (whatever that means). Yusuf describes the way he dressed early on in his conversion as "a radical and over zealous reaction to the spiritual happiness that I’d felt in Islam." In another post, he writes, "Early on, I needed to secure my identity as a Muslim and felt I needed to ‘look’ like others in the Mosque."
That statement about a need for some kind of outward manifestation of his newfound faith actually says a lot about the inward struggles that Yusuf, like all converts to any religion, continues to face in trying to reconstruct an identity in line with his new faith.
In fact, Yusuf says that much of the uproar has been "due to my naivety," and a need to address "a loaded question" full of socio-political underpinnings as simply a question of religious fact only a decade into his religious conversion. Could it be that in his eagerness to look the part, Yusuf felt he also needed to sound the part of what he believed a Muslim to be?
In his book Understanding Religious Conversion, Lewis R. Rambo, a professor of pastoral psychology at San Francisco Theological Seminary, writes of "conversion as a dynamic, multifaceted process of transformation. A process that for some, is abrupt and radical; for others, it is gradual and very subtle in its effects upon a person's life."
For Melody Fox Ahmed, director of programs and operations at the Berkley Center for Religion, Peace, & World Affairs, Stevens’ conversion is “an example of the type who sees conversion as a radical change, whereas others slowly transform chosen aspects of their identity and practices.”
To Akbar Ahmed, Stevens’ guitar can be seen as an embodiment of this process of transformation. “The very fact that he once rejected the guitar and picked it up again in itself is a re-assessment of his early life as a Muslim,” says Ahmed. “It’s quite clear that [Stevens] is coming to a different kind of understanding of Islam.”
Writing about the rally controversy in the Daily 49er, the student publication of California State University Long Beach, Hanif Zarrabi says, "For all of the heartache that the 1989 comment caused, Yusuf 's actions since then should outweigh his words." That feeling is echoed by Ahmed, who says that if Yusuf was “invited by two of the most renowned and famous media celebrities in America who have shone the light of intelligence and wisdom on a somewhat bleak landscape” he should have taken “the chance to be there as part of a movement aimed at the young generation” without question. (He's been on Colbert's show before.)
Fox Ahmed says she was surprised to see that Yusuf has a question and answer section on his website addressing questions like “Did he have an arranged marriage and will he talk to unveiled women?" For Fox Ahmed, Yusuf was under no obligation to address such questions on his site, but his willingness to do so is “an open approach to engaging a curious- and suspicious - community. I don't think he needs to say anything now. He seems to prefer to let his actions (charitable work) and music speak more than words - you don't see him on the nightly talk show rounds stirring up more controversy.”
Fox Ahmed says that for her, Yusuf’s appearance was the high point of the rally. “When the opening chords to ‘Peace Train’ sounded, I think the whole Mall got chills,” she says. “I personally was not thinking about any of the controversies surrounding Yusuf/Cat when he was playing. I was sorry when Ozzy interrupted him!”
Akbar Ahmed sees the criticism of Yusuf’s presence at the rally based upon a 20-year-old controversy as yet another example of “controversies being dug up and taken out of context to be aired simply because of a rather poisonous environment around Islam.” After all Ahmed says, were it not for a feeling of Islamophobia “who would be interested? There were thousands and thousands of Muslims who were thinking like Yusuf Islam” in the early 1990s.
Unlike many of them, though, Yusuf's fame hasn't allowed him to work his way through the stages of conversion and reconstruct his identity quietly.
As the harsh spotlight washes out all of the gray, all the dynamism and nuance in Stevens' own personal process of transformation has been lost. Rather than accepting that for Stevens, like all of us, his identity has been a complex and fluid matter, it has instead been reduced down to mere sound bites. It’s an unfortunate oversimplification for a man whose life experiences could serve as a case study for understanding the complexities of conversion and reconciling one’s identity with that newfound faith.
In the end, Jon Stewart’s own much-quoted statement from his speech at the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear may help put this 20-year-old re-ignited controversy into perspective “If we amplify everything, we hear nothing.” While some commentators have argued over some 20-year-old quotes, they missed the message of what Cat Stevens was saying in the lyrics of “Peace Train,” a song he wrote almost a decade before his conversion and performed as a Yusuf Islam, the Muslim convert with the United States Capitol in the background.
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The Mountain House Statement
[Social Entrepreneurship, Corporate Responsibility] (CSRwire Press Releases, Events and Reports)The Caux Round Table today announces the release of The Mountain House Statement setting forth a common position among the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic traditions of social thought on sound ethical values to be used in management of the global economy. The Mountain House Statement offers hope for the world. The Statement can be found at www.cauxroundtable.org. This Mountain House Statement is significant because it derives from the Abrahamic traditions very practical lessons for the conduct o ...
The Caux Round Table today announces the release of The Mountain House Statement setting forth a common position among the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic traditions of social thought on sound ethical values to be used in management of the global economy. The Mountain House Statement offers hope for the world. The Statement can be found at www.cauxroundtable.org. This Mountain House Statement is significant because it derives from the Abrahamic traditions very practical lessons for the conduct of finance and business. The Statement provides express support from the common social teachings of these religions for the necessity of taking a CSR/Stakeholder approach to business decision-making. These lessons align religious conscience with appropriate risk-taking in private markets. These lessons are:Exactly two years ago, the global economy was brought to crisis by a collapse of credit markets upon the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers investment banking house in New York City. Public funds and guarantees in the rough amount of 14 trillion US dollars contributed primarily by national governments were needed to prevent a global depression brought about by failures in private credit markets. The depression was thus avoided, but the debt hangs on to restrain the resumption of economic growth in many economies. Reforms in laws and regulatory practices have been suggested, and some have been adopted, to prevent a recurrence of such a collapse of confidence in credit markets. From the perspective of the Caux Round Table, however, reforms in laws and regulatory policies will not be enough. A principal cause of the crisis lay in poor judgment and lack of elementary prudence, such failings in turn driven by a prior collapse of sound personal values. If morality and ethics played a role in causing the crisis, then morality and ethics need to play a role in preventing future credit crises. But whose morality and whose ethics may be advocated to change behaviors in financial markets? We live in a world of many cultures and many religions. This Mountain House Statement is therefore significant because, for the first time, it brings together the resources of the Abrahamic religions in one common and constructive approach at a time when conflict and divisiveness among and within these faiths are so sadly prevalent. The Caux Round Table is convinced that common to many religions are certain core principles of humility and responsibility with respect to risk that can be surely relied upon to fashion personal codes of conduct in financial intermediation. The Mountain House Statement reflects this truth and is an important step towards finding future expressions of a common moral truth for the human family. The Mountain House Statement was collaboratively written by distinguished scholars from the Jewish, Christian and Islamic faith traditions. They were convened at Mountain House, in Caux, Switzerland, by the Caux Round Table, His Eminence Theodore Cardinal McCarrick, former Archbishop of Washington, DC, Ronald Thiemann, Bussey Professor of Theology and former Dean at the Harvard Divinity School and Ibrahim Zein, Professor of Islamic Studies and Comparative Religion and Dean of the International Institute of Islamic Thought and Civilization at the International Islamic University, Malaysia. For questions and further information, please contact: Stephen B. Young Global Executive Director Caux Round Table 6 West Fifth Street, 3rd Floor St. Paul, Minnesota 55102 Phone: (651) 223-2852 Cell: (651) 336-4812 Email: steve@cauxroundtable.net Rabbi Aaron D. Panken, Ph.D Assistant Professor of Rabbinic and Second Temple Literature Hebrew Union College - Jewish Institute of Religion 1 West 4th Street New York, NY 10012 Phone: (212) 824-2219 Fax: (212) 674-5179 Email: apanken@huc.edu Irfan Ahmad Khan, Ph.D Director Association for Quranic Understanding 3244 West 167th Street Markham, IL 60428 Phone: (708) 596-5412 Fax: (708) 724-5009 Email: irfanakhan7@yahoo.com David W. Miller, Ph.D Director Princeton Faith & Work Initiative Associate Research Scholar and Lecturer Princeton University 5 Ivy Lane Princeton, NJ 08540 Phone: (609) 258-6956 Email: dwm@princeton.edu1) Acceptance of limitations - that whatsoever we seek to do must be approached with humility.
2) Acting always as a fiduciary - we are, each one of us, stewards of creation, duty bound to be constructive and not selfishly exploitative.
3) Since power and wealth divert us from responsible conduct, great power and great wealth dramatically increase the risks of business and financial failure from cupidity, negligence, and arrogance.
4) Religious conscience offsets the risks attendant upon power and wealth so religious faith should be present in economic and financial undertakings to ensure their long-term success.
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Do you consider Bahà'ism an Abrahamic religion?If so why?
[Q & A, Beauty, Kids, Health] ()I'm just curious,i have Persian Bahai friends who agree that Bahà'ism is an Abrahamic religion and some Catholic and Muslim friends who agree.Whereas some Orthodox Christians disagree.Just to show some resemblances between Bahà'ism,Islam,Judaîsm and Christianism heres an URL: http://funadvice.com/r/3kvl0r8rae Please give me your opinions,i'm doing it for a school project.
I'm just curious,i have Persian Bahai friends who agree that Bahà'ism is an Abrahamic religion and some Catholic and Muslim friends who agree.Whereas some Orthodox Christians disagree.Just to show some resemblances between Bahà'ism,Islam,Judaîsm and Christianism heres an URL:
http://funadvice.com/r/3kvl0r8rae
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Re: Survey: Americans don't know much about religion
[Meniere's] (Meniere's Talk Forums)I think the survey was not about particular tenets of one's own faith but about religions in general. What I saw was mostly about Abrahamic religions.
I think the survey was not about particular tenets of one's own faith but about religions in general. What I saw was mostly about Abrahamic religions. -
Baha'i Faith hypocritical in acceptance? - Religious Education Forum
[Baha'i Faith] (bahai faith - Google Blog Search)I don't understand this when I read about the Baha'i Faith. Now granted that the Baha'i Faith is a Semetic or Abrahamic religion, and thus holds a.
I don't understand this when I read about the Baha'i Faith. Now granted that the Baha'i Faith is a Semetic or Abrahamic religion, and thus holds a. -
The Iranian Official Perspective
[Atheism] (Pharyngula)A reader, who apparently did some work for Iran some years ago, now regularly gets missives from the Iranian embassy, and he forwarded this one to me. It's about Iran's official response to the proposed Koran burning in Florida. I've checked out the email headers and can verify that at least it came from the purported source and there is an Iranian embassy at that address, but I can't vouch for the full legitimacy of the email. Subject: Supreme Leader's Message Dear Sir/Madam Please find ...
A reader, who apparently did some work for Iran some years ago, now regularly gets missives from the Iranian embassy, and he forwarded this one to me. It's about Iran's official response to the proposed Koran burning in Florida.
I've checked out the email headers and can verify that at least it came from the purported source and there is an Iranian embassy at that address, but I can't vouch for the full legitimacy of the email.
Subject: Supreme Leader's Message
Dear Sir/Madam
Please find attached the text of the message of the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran on the desecration of the Holy Quran in the United States.
Regards
In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
"It is we who sent down the Koran, and we watch over it," says God
the Mighty, the Wise [Holy Quran, 15:9]
Great Iranian nation, great Islamic Ummah!
The insane, revolting insult to the Holy Quran in America, an incident occurring under the security provided by the US police, is a major tragic event that cannot be considered merely as the foolish act of a few worthless mercenaries. This is a preplanned act by those who since years ago have put Islamophobic and anti-Muslim policies on their agenda and have tried to combat Islam and the Quran in numerous ways resorting to a myriad of propaganda means and campaigns. This is another link in a chain of shameless measures launched with the blasphemy of Salman Rushdi, the apostate, followed by the insult of the base Danish caricaturist, tens of anti-Islamic movies produced in Hollywood and now crowned by this disgusting show. Who and what is behind such evil acts?
Looking into this trend of evil, as manifested in recent years in atrocious operations in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Lebanon and Pakistan, leaves no doubt that it is designed and masterminded by heads of world imperialism and Zionist think tanks which have the highest degree of influence in the government, the military and security agencies of the United States as well as Britain and some other European countries. These are those at whom the finger of suspicion of independent truth-finding groups and individuals is pointed in the case of the attack on the Twin Towers on September the 11th. The then-president of the US, a criminal, was provided with the pretext to invade Iraq and Afghanistan; he declared a Crusade and, reportedly, has said yesterday that with the Church entering the stage the Crusade has truly begun.
What is aimed at through the recent repulsive incident is, on the one hand, to take the confrontation with Islam and Muslims to the populace in the Christian community, to give it a religious coloring and entrenching it with religious zeal and sentiment by involving the church and, on the other, to divert the attention of the Muslim nations, enraged and hurt by this hideous effrontery, away from the issues and developments in the Muslim world and the Middle East.
This vengeful act is not the beginning of a trend but another stage in the long history of antagonizing Islam headed by Zionism and the US government. Now all the heads of world hegemony and impiety are ranked against Islam. Islam is the religion of human liberation and spirituality, and the Quran is the book of compassion, wisdom and justice. It is incumbent upon all free-spirited people of the world and all the followers of the Abrahamic religions to side with the Muslims in countering these heinous anti-Islamic policies and acts. Empty, deceitful words cannot exonerate the heads of the American government from the charge of involvement in this ugly phenomenon. For years those things held sacred by millions of oppressed Muslims in Afghanistan and Pakistan, in Iraq, in Lebanon and Palestine have been desecrated, all their rights and their dignity trampled on. Hundreds of thousands killed, tens of thousands of men and women captured and tortured, thousands of children and women kidnapped, and millions injured and made homeless - all victimized for what? And with these wrongs, why does the Western media represent Muslims as violence incarnate and Islam, and the Quran, as a menace to humanity? How can one believe that this vast conspiracy could be made possible without the support and involvement of the Zionist circles in the US government?! O Muslim brethren and sisters in Iran and all over the world! It is necessary to draw the attention of all to the following points: First, this incident and similar ones show that what is now being targeted by the global hegemony and world Imperialism are the very foundations of the dear Islam, and the Holy Quran. The manifest enmity of the arrogant world powers towards the Islamic Republic of Iran is because of the manifest resistance of Iran against them; the claim of these powers in not being the enemies of other Muslims, and of Islam, is a big lie, a satanic deception. They are the enemies of Islam, whoever believes in it, and whatever signifies it.
Second, these spiteful acts against Islam and Muslims stem from the fact that since a few decades ago the light of Islam has been shining brighter than ever, its grip on the hearts and souls in the Muslim world and even in the West has been stronger than ever before. It stems from the fact that the Islamic Ummah is now more awake than ever and is determined to free itself of the shackles of two centuries of colonialism and interference. The incident of insulting the Quran and the Great Prophet of Islam despite all its bitterness bears great tidings. The bright sun of the Quran will shine brighter than ever.
Third, we should all know that this incident has nothing to do with Christianity and the Church; we should not regard the puppet-like acts of a few idiotic and mercenary priests as those of Christians and church men. We Muslims will never commit similar acts against what are held sacred in other religions. Conflict between Muslims and Christians, on a popular scale, is what our enemies and the stagers of this insane show are after. What the Quran teaches us is diametrically opposed to this. Fourth, today the protests of all Muslims are directed at the US government and American politicians. If they are honest in their claim of not being involved in this, they must duly punish the main planners and operators of this heinous crime who have hurt the feelings of one and a half billion Muslims the world over.
And peace is on him who follows piety.
Sayyed Ali Khamenei
September 13, 2010
I found two things very funny.
They say they'll never commit similar acts, i.e., desecrate holy books, as if that makes them better people. But instead, they issue fatwahs demanding the death of people like Salman Rushdie, and riot with signs advocating violent acts against other people! I'm not exactly dazzled by their standards of morality. I'd piss on a thousand holy books before I even consider advocating beheading someone.
That last line slays me. One and half billion people are "upset"! It sounds to me like one and a half billion children need to get a life.
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[ Religion & Spirituality ] Open Question : Why is Yahweh (or Jehovah) referred to as the proper noun "God"?
[Q & A] (Yahoo! Answers: Latest Questions)Does anyone know the detailed history to this? I think the fact that the monotheistic, Abrahamic deity is called simply "God" and all other polytheistic deities are called "gods" makes the idea of "God" in a general sense seem more plausible to the average, ignorant person. That's why you often see people who say "Why don't you believe in God" get confused when someone responds with "Why don't you believe in other gods?". And now this whole new-age idea of "God" without the Biblical strings ...
Does anyone know the detailed history to this? I think the fact that the monotheistic, Abrahamic deity is called simply "God" and all other polytheistic deities are called "gods" makes the idea of "God" in a general sense seem more plausible to the average, ignorant person. That's why you often see people who say "Why don't you believe in God" get confused when someone responds with "Why don't you believe in other gods?". And now this whole new-age idea of "God" without the Biblical strings attached makes things even more confusing. So, why is Yahweh called "God", and do you think we should change this? -
Religion Rules ( . . . .as in the rules of the forum)
[Autism] (Wrong Planet Asperger / Autism Forums)Hello, I'm new. I have a question about the Religion section. In the rules section was stated the following was prohibited: 1. Posting offensive language, comments, video, or images. Unacceptable content includes swearing; racist, sexist, homophobic language; behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members; violent or sexually demeaning content; sexual fetish; and discussion of excretory function. Posting graphic images or videos of people or animals being harmed is prohibited. Wouldn't t ...
Hello, I'm new. I have a question about the Religion section. In the rules section was stated the following was prohibited: 1. Posting offensive language, comments, video, or images. Unacceptable content includes swearing; racist, sexist, homophobic language; behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members; violent or sexually demeaning content; sexual fetish; and discussion of excretory function. Posting graphic images or videos of people or animals being harmed is prohibited. Wouldn't this preclude quoting a good many Religious texts? Are Monotheists (Jews, Christians and Muslims) not allowed to suggest that women ought to be stoned to death, have hands cut off, et c., as the holy books state? This is clearly sexist, and a basic tenant of the Abrahamic tradition. What about the Racism? What about all the races which are not allowed into Churches (see Deutoronomy 20 especially). What about the Islamic mandates for Women to cover their faces? What about the sexually de ... -
Sex and death lie at the poisoned heart of religion - Polly Toynbee - Guardian
[Rationality] (RichardDawkins.net - All Content)A dispute with BBC TV's religious slot, Sunday Morning Live: would I join a debate on the pope? As president of the British Humanist Association, I was glad to – but there was a problem. Discussion was divided into a first debate on whether Catholicism was over-obsessed with sex, but I was to join a second: is the Catholic church a force for good? How could you answer that without saying that sex lies at the poisoned heart of all that is wrong with just about every major faith? Repression of ...
A dispute with BBC TV's religious slot, Sunday Morning Live: would I join a debate on the pope? As president of the British Humanist Association, I was glad to – but there was a problem. Discussion was divided into a first debate on whether Catholicism was over-obsessed with sex, but I was to join a second: is the Catholic church a force for good? How could you answer that without saying that sex lies at the poisoned heart of all that is wrong with just about every major faith?
Repression of sex, banning contraception, gays, abortion, stem-cell research and IVF treatment cause untold misery. Not to the "liberal" Catholics who proclaim for reform and use contraception themselves – as Cherie Blair so distastefully revealed – yet support a church whose denial of it damages and kills poor mothers with no choice. As Ben Goldacre pointed out in this paper on Saturday, while this pope claims condoms "aggravate the problem" of HIV/Aids, two million die a year. Ann Widdecombe's riposte that the Catholic church runs more Aids clinics than any single nation was like suggesting the Spanish Inquisition ran the best rehab clinics for torture victims.
Women's bodies are the common battleground, symbols of all religions' authority and identity. Cover them up with veil or burka, keep them from the altar, shave their heads, give them ritual baths, church them, make them walk a step behind, subject them to men's authority, keep priests celibately free of women, unclean and unworthy. Eve is the cause of all temptation in Abrahamic faiths. Only by suppressing women can priests and imams hold down the power of sex, the flesh and the devil. The Church of England is on the point of schism over gay priests, women bishops and African homophobia. The secular world looks on in utter perplexity.
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Sex and death lie at the poisoned heart of religion | Polly Toynbee
[Guardian] (World news: Catholicism | guardian.co.uk)Why invite the pope on a state visit – at a cost of millions in a time of cutbacks – when the vast majority are secular?A dispute with BBC TV's religious slot, Sunday Morning Live: would I join a debate on the pope? As president of the British Humanist Association, I was glad to – but there was a problem. Discussion was divided into a first debate on whether Catholicism was over-obsessed with sex, but I was to join a second: is the Catholic church a force for good? How could you answer tha ...
Why invite the pope on a state visit – at a cost of millions in a time of cutbacks – when the vast majority are secular?
A dispute with BBC TV's religious slot, Sunday Morning Live: would I join a debate on the pope? As president of the British Humanist Association, I was glad to – but there was a problem. Discussion was divided into a first debate on whether Catholicism was over-obsessed with sex, but I was to join a second: is the Catholic church a force for good? How could you answer that without saying that sex lies at the poisoned heart of all that is wrong with just about every major faith?
Repression of sex, banning contraception, gays, abortion, stem-cell research and IVF treatment cause untold misery. Not to the "liberal" Catholics who proclaim for reform and use contraception themselves – as Cherie Blair so distastefully revealed – yet support a church whose denial of it damages and kills poor mothers with no choice. As Ben Goldacre pointed out in this paper on Saturday, while this pope claims condoms "aggravate the problem" of HIV/Aids, two million die a year. Ann Widdecombe's riposte that the Catholic church runs more Aids clinics than any single nation was like suggesting the Spanish Inquisition ran the best rehab clinics for torture victims.
Women's bodies are the common battleground, symbols of all religions' authority and identity. Cover them up with veil or burka, keep them from the altar, shave their heads, give them ritual baths, church them, make them walk a step behind, subject them to men's authority, keep priests celibately free of women, unclean and unworthy. Eve is the cause of all temptation in Abrahamic faiths. Only by suppressing women can priests and imams hold down the power of sex, the flesh and the devil. The Church of England is on the point of schism over gay priests, women bishops and African homophobia. The secular world looks on in utter perplexity.
Trying to deny the primal life force has led to centuries of persecution, suffering, secrecy and breathtaking hypocrisy. Wherever male cultural leaders hold absolute and unscrutinised power, women and children will be abused. In western secular life this has at last been recognised: in schools, prisons, care homes and within families, wherever the powerless are unseen and unheard, horrors will happen without checks and transparency. Abusers gravitate towards closed organisations, and absolute power turns people into abusers. But the Vatican still talks of a few bad apples requiring internal discipline, the pope refusing to hand rapists over to secular law. Imams, gurus, priests, all hold sway over the vulnerable. As secretive madrasas and new religious "free" schools multiply while officials nervously respect their cultural independence, expect more abuse as bad as the Belgian Catholic cases now emerging.
The other dominion the religions control is death. Were it not for the faiths with their grip on hospices and palliative care, the law on assisted dying would be reformed. Religious dominance in parliament scuppered the last bill that tried to give the dying the right to depart when they can suffer no more. A survey in the Journal of Medical Ethics found religious doctors far less likely to keep the dying deeply sedated if that risked hastening death, forcing people to linger in the agonising antechambers of death. Add up the millions of hours of human suffering the faiths inflict by their denial of choice over sex and death, and it far outweighs their Mother Teresa work.
The pontiff arrives after heavy lobbying by Gordon Brown, who was desperate to please Catholic voters. Instead the visit has subjected Pope Benedict's conservatism to intensely unfavourable scrutiny. On Friday he meets the Archbishop of Canterbury, who ought to send him off with a flea in his ear for trying to seduce over to Rome Church of England clergy opposed to women bishops. His beatification of Cardinal Newman for converting to Catholicism is an affront, along with his claim that Britain's Equalities Act "violates natural law" for banning discrimination against women and gays.
In a week when, on the wilder fringes, a Florida pastor's threat to burn 200 copies of the Qur'an risked igniting holy war among equally extreme battalions of Islamist fundamentalists, while hate-filled Christians try to stop the building of a Muslim centre in a New York that is remembering the jihadist attack victims, nobody needs reminding of the incendiary dangers of religion. But just when democracies should determinedly separate religion from state, the British state appeases, most alarmingly in new segregated schools. Why invite the pope on a "state" visit costing millions in a time of cutbacks? At most 12% of the population regularly practises any faith in the secular UK.
Where once secularism and humanism were relics of a bygone religious age, its voice is important again. But pointing out the blindingly obvious need to keep faiths in their private sphere has united religious gunfire against secularists. All atheists now tend to be called "militant", yet we seek to silence none, to burn no books, to stop no masses or Friday prayers, impose no laws, asking only free choice over sex and death. Religion deserves its say, but only proportional to its numbers. No privileges, no special protection against feeling offended.
The director of pastoral affairs in the Westminster diocese, Edmund Adamus, says Britain has become a "selfish hedonistic wasteland" of sex and secularism. He echoes the supreme arrogance of all the religious who claim there is no morality without God. Nonsense, but unlike the religious the godless claim no moral superiority. Wise humanists know that good and bad are pretty evenly distributed. Humanity has an innate moral sense, without threats of divine wrath and reward. Good and bad works are done by both the secular and the religious. But wherever the institutions of religion wield real power, they prove a force for cruelty and hypocrisy.
Atheists are good haters, they claim, but feeble compared with the religious sects. Atheists have dried-up souls, without spiritual or visionary transcendentalism. To which we say: the human imagination is all we need to hold in awe. Live in optimism without fear of judgment and death. There is enough purpose and meaning in life, love and leaving a good legacy. Oppose the danger of religious zealotry with the liberating belief that life on earth is precious because this here and now is all there is, and our destiny is in our own hands.
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[ Religion & Spirituality ] Open Question : Why don't the abrahamic religions enjoy communing with God?
[Q & A] (Yahoo! Answers: Latest Questions)only pagans appear to commune with the source of all things on a daily basis. we actually enjoy being filled with its presence. xtians, muslims, and jews all pray, whereas we like to invoke the Divine directly into our being.
only pagans appear to commune with the source of all things on a daily basis. we actually enjoy being filled with its presence. xtians, muslims, and jews all pray, whereas we like to invoke the Divine directly into our being. -
Graciousness Here and Viciousness There: The Cordoba Mosque
[Startups] (Ben Casnocha: The Blog)Leon Wieseltier has a moving piece in the New Republic on the Cordoba Mosque proposal. It's short. It's impeccably written. And it captures my attitudes exactly, albeit with more eloquence and rigor than I could ever muster. Read the whole ...
Leon Wieseltier has a moving piece in the New Republic on the Cordoba Mosque proposal. It's short. It's impeccably written. And it captures my attitudes exactly, albeit with more eloquence and rigor than I could ever muster. Read the whole thing.
This part stood out to me:
There are families of the victims who oppose Cordoba House and there are families of the victims who support it. Every side in this debate can invoke the authority of the pain. But how much authority should it have? I do not see that sentiment about the families should abrogate considerations of principle. It is odd to see conservatives suddenly espouse the moral superiority of victimhood, as it is odd to see them suddenly find an exception to their expansive view of religious freedom. Everybody has their preferred insensitivities.
His last graf:
A night at the J. At the JCC on Q Street a few weeks ago, there was a family night for “kibbutz camp.” As the children sang “Zum Gali Gali,” an old anthem of the Zionist pioneers, I noticed among the jolly parents a Muslim woman swaddled in black. Her child was among those children! Her presence had no bearing on the question of our security, but it was the image of what we are protecting. No American heart could be unmoved by it. So: Cordoba House in New York and a Predator war in Pakistan—graciousness here and viciousness there—this should be our position. For those who come in peace, peace; for those who come in war, war.
(hat tip: Sullivan)
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Here is 20 minutes of very clear thinking on religion -- on especially the similarities of the three Abrahamic religions -- from Robert Wright on Charlie Rose.
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Divine dispatches: a religion roundup | Riazat Butt
[Religion, Guardian] (World news: Religion | guardian.co.uk)Avram Grant's Yom Kippur habits; Rosh Hashanah via TV or internet; Glenn Beck goes Mormon; secular extremismMuch excitement among the Abrahamic faiths, which are looking forward to a triple whammy of celebration. Muslims have Eid, Jews have Rosh Hashanah and Catholics have the papal visit. Yom Tov to our Jewish readers!✤ We kick off with a story about Avram Grant, who is raising eyebrows because he may observe Yom Kippur, the most widely adhered to festival in the Jewish calendar. The Daily St ...
Avram Grant's Yom Kippur habits; Rosh Hashanah via TV or internet; Glenn Beck goes Mormon; secular extremism
Much excitement among the Abrahamic faiths, which are looking forward to a triple whammy of celebration. Muslims have Eid, Jews have Rosh Hashanah and Catholics have the papal visit. Yom Tov to our Jewish readers!
✤ We kick off with a story about Avram Grant, who is raising eyebrows because he may observe Yom Kippur, the most widely adhered to festival in the Jewish calendar. The Daily Star says Grant faces having to choose between "sitting in the dug-out for the club's vital clash with Stoke" or observing the Jewish holy day. Has anyone asked him what his plans are? No? Oh well. "The Hammers boss is a devout follower of the religion and would be required to observe a strict 25-hour fast from working, eating and even drinking water." The 55-year-old has watched his new side lose all three of its league games. Caught between a rock and a hard place? At least with the Day of Atonement, he gets to square himself with the ultimate Manchester United fan (thanks to Josh Howie).
✤ Sticking with the high holy days, Shalomlife reports that that you can enjoy Rosh Hashanah from your living room if you don't live near or are just too lazy to get to a synagogue. According to Shalom TV it is the first time that high holy day services will be available on national cable television. Rabbi Mark Golub says his services have a broad appeal "to those who rarely attend a synagogue as well as to those who are traditional in their approach and appreciate that the key elements of the High Holiday service are included". Among other things, his services occasionally feature him playing the accordion. "Many Jews can't get to a synagogue anyway," he adds, referring to those in poor health or who live in more isolated areas. "I am not suggesting that television ever replace a real service. That's just silly."
✤ Not to be outdone a Cincinnati congregation is offering live streaming of services to any Jew with an internet connection. The Jerusalem Post says that this innovation will allow you to fit a shul in your pocket through your Blackberry, iPhone or Droid. But there are efforts to promote an "offline" Yom Kippur where you give up your devices in addition to food and drink.
✤ Whoah! Glenn Beck is a Mormon? You didn't misread that, or maybe you did. Beck's affiliation with the religious movement has led to some soul-searching from inside that community about whether it's a good thing to have him as a card-carrying member. I can answer that for you. Really easily. The sometimes good but mostly sappy On Faith carries a piece from the head of public affairs at the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints. Michael Otterson writes that partisan neutrality extends to everyone, even those with a "huge megaphone" such as Beck. What gets his goat is the stereotypes surrounding Mormons: "If the only Mormons you've ever met are two young men on your door step wearing suits, ties and white shirts, that may be understandable. But there are six million Latter-day Saints now in the United States (about the same number as Jews), and another eight million worldwide, and they represent a growing cross section of ethnicity, demographics, cultural experiences, professions and attitudes. They are not obliged to think and act in lockstep." Yes, because it must be really annoying to get tarred with the same brush as your co-religionists. He's saying not all Mormons look the same or think the same and that people should broaden their minds. Pass this memo to Beck someone?
✤ We're staying stateside for this gem from the FoxForum. Steven Crowder says secular extremism is as common, but is as barely discussed as religious extremism. He cites the case of James Lee – who took hostages at the Discovery Channel as an example. Crowder writes: "James Lee had put the Planet Earth on such a pedestal, so far beyond the importance of his fellow human beings that he was willing to harm other people, and ultimately himself for its cause. If that's not extremism, then I don't know what is."
Next week – a papal special.
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Bonnie Burnham: Saving the World's Sacred Spaces
[News, Video] (FORA.tv - Program Feed)Bonnie Burnham: Saving the World's Sacred Spaces What makes space sacred? Legendary religious destinations? Natural or created beauty? Is sacred space defined by what happened there? In this lecture series (in partnership with the World Monuments Fund), speakers explore the confluence of religion, architecture, history, geography, and culture. They discuss the sacred spaces of the Abrahamic traditions, the communal spaces that define civilization, and the sacred in the personal that provid ...
Bonnie Burnham: Saving the World's Sacred Spaces
What makes space sacred? Legendary religious destinations? Natural or created beauty? Is sacred space defined by what happened there? In this lecture series (in partnership with the World Monuments Fund), speakers explore the confluence of religion, architecture, history, geography, and culture.
They discuss the sacred spaces of the Abrahamic traditions, the communal spaces that define civilization, and the sacred in the personal that provides peace amid chaos. Through the ten lectures, audiences visit some of the most important and threatened historically sacred sites of the world.
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:45:00 -0700
Location: Chautauqua, NY, Chautauqua Amphitheater, Chautauqua Institution
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Zionists' Myth of 'Radical Islam' | Rehmat's World
[Islam] (ISLAM - Google Blog Search)Islam being the last of the three Abrahamic religions, also carry the same messages – fight against all kind of oppressions, establish freedom of faith and equal human-rights for all, irrespective of color, nationality and religion.
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10 Reasons Not to Burn the Qur'an
[News] (current.com top stories)Ten Reasons Not to Burn the Qur'an in response to Dove World Outreach Center's plan to burn copies of the Qur'an on the 9th anniversary of 9/11. We hope our Ten Reasons will help bring about greater awareness, understanding and healing on this sad anniversary. Ten Reasons Not to Burn the Qur'an ONE Dove World Outreach Center: The Koran* teaches that Jesus Christ, the Crucified, Risen Son of God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords was NOT the Son of God, nor was he crucifie ...

Ten Reasons Not to Burn the Qur'an in response to Dove World Outreach Center's plan to burn copies of the Qur'an on the 9th anniversary of 9/11. We hope our Ten Reasons will help bring about greater awareness, understanding and healing on this sad anniversary.
Ten Reasons Not to Burn the Qur'an
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Dove World Outreach Center: The Koran* teaches that Jesus Christ, the Crucified, Risen Son of God, King of Kings and Lord of Lords was NOT the Son of God, nor was he crucified (a well documented historical fact that ONLY Islam denies). This teaching removes the possibility of salvation and eternal life in heaven for all Islam's believers. They face eternal damnation in hell if they do not repent.* Islam is not a new religion, but traces its roots to Abrahamic monotheism, which teaches that God is one. God is one means that God has no parents, spouse, son or daughter. Therefore, God is considered indivisible and incomparable in any way, shape or form to any other living creature.
* This idea can also be found in the Hebrew Scriptures in the form of the first of the Ten Commandments and elsewhere in the Bible.
* The belief that Jesus was not crucified also predates Islam. For example, the Docetans were among Jesus' early followers, who also claimed he was never crucified and that another was crucified in his stead.
* The Qur'an also teaches that Jesus, peace be upon him, is a prophet and a messenger of God, equal to Mohammad himself.
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Dove World Outreach Center: The Koran does not have an eternal origin. It is not recorded in heaven. The Almighty God, Creator of the World, is NOT its source. It is not holy. Its writings are human in origin, a concoction of old and new teachings. This has been stated and restated for centuries by scholars since Islam's beginnings, both Moslem and non-Moslem.* The Qur'an is considered to be God's word, delivered to Mohammad via Gabriel, and recited by Mohammad to his followers. Scholars tend to diverge greatly in their opinions on this subject.
* The Qur'an is among one of the only holy books that attests that the Bible is of divine origin, and the first to ever do so. That is a second good reason not to burn the Qur'an.
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Dove World Outreach Center: The Koran's teaching includes Arabian idolatry, paganism, rites and rituals. These are demonic, an ongoing satanic stronghold under which Moslems and the world suffer.* The Qur'an is unequivocally against idolatry and satanic worship. Anyone who makes these claims cannot possibly have read and understood the Qur'an and should at least thoroughly read what he/she is attempting to disparage.
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Dove World Outreach Center: The earliest writings that are known to exist about the Prophet Mohammad were recorded 120 years after his death. All of the Islamic writings are contradictory and inconsistent. Maybe Mohammad never existed. We have no conclusive account about what he said or did. Yet Moslems follow the destructive teachings of Islam without question.* The Qur'an is an independent text and is very different from the Hadith, histories and biographical literature which should not be confused with the former.
* The Qur'an is one of few prophetic books that have been so well preserved and that give an accurate rendition of the prophet's communication. It is thereby one of the world's greatest treasures. That is a fourth good reason not to burn the Qur'an.
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Dove World Outreach Center: Mohammad's life and message cannot be respected. The first Meccan period of his leadership seems to have been religiously motivated and a search for the truth. But in the second Medina period he was "corrupted by power and worldly ambitions." This led to political assassinations and massacres which continue to be carried out on a regular basis by his followers today.* Mohammad lifestyle was exemplary and he lived very simply, preferring to give his money to the poor. Few can match his kindness towards his enemies. For example, when he and his followers conquered Mecca, he did so peacefully and did not punish its pagan inhabitants, even though they had tortured and oppressed them. There is no evidence that he ever ordered a political assassination or a massacre.
* The Qur'an teaches forgiveness of Jews, Christians and people of other religions, even when they harm Muslims.
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Dove World Outreach Center: Islamic Law is totalitarian in nature. There is no separation of church and state. It is irrational. It is supposedly immutable and cannot be changed. It must be accepted without criticism.* Islamic law is a pre-modern system of law and changes all the time. It should not be confused with the Qur'an, which is unchanging, even though its interpretation can vary.
* The Qur'an is the one scripture that teaches not to take up rabbis, priests and other clergy and give them the authority to delineate religious law. Following the Qur'an, all human beings equal before God.
SEVEN
Dove World Outreach Center: Islam is not compatible with democracy and human rights. The notion of a moral individual capable of making decisions and taking responsibility for them does not exist in Islam. The attitude towards women in Islam as inferior possessions of men has led to countless cases of mistreatment and abuse for which Moslem men receive little or no punishment, and in many cases are encouraged to commit such acts, and are even praised for them.* The Qur'an does not delineate a particular political system for Muslim to follow.
* The Qur'an is known for giving rights to minorities and other vulnerable peoples. For example, it has given women the right to life, independent ownership of property, wages, divorce, marriage, inheritance, maintenance, good treatment, etc.
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Dove World Outreach Center: A Muslim does not have the right to change his religion. Apostasy is punishable by death.* A Muslim has a God-given right to change his/her religion, if they should so choose-the Qur'an clearly states "Let there be no compulsion in religion" (2:256).
NINE
Dove World Outreach Center: Deep in the Islamic teaching and culture is the irrational fear and loathing of the West.* The Qur'an does not endorse hatred of anyone and does not privilege any human being over another on the basis of race, origins or country. "O Humankind, we have created you from a male and a female and have made you into peoples and tribes so that you may know one another." (49:13).
TEN
Dove World Outreach Center: Islam is a weapon of Arab imperialism and Islamic colonialism. Wherever Islam has or gains political power, Christians, Jews and all non-Moslems receive persecution, discrimination, are forced to convert.* These claims are not supported by historical fact--if non-Muslims were forced to convert, there would be no Christian and Jewish minorities in Muslim-majority countries today.
* As for "Arab imperialism", Mohammad's last sermon states: "An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action."
* Islam literally means "peace-making"--it is the causative Form IV of the root "salam," which means wholeness, peace, well-being and safety.
* Muslims have never embarked on a campaign to burn the Bible in any of its forms. It is the Qur'an insists on freedom of worship-"Let there be no compulsion in religion."
* The correct reference is "Qur'an", not "Koran"
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Stephan Goodwin replied to Hugh Kramer's discussion 'Israeli singer given 39 lashes by rabbis' in the group Atheist News
[Atheism] (Latest Activity on Atheist Nexus)Stephan Goodwin replied to Hugh Kramer's discussion 'Israeli singer given 39 lashes by rabbis' in the group Atheist News Meh, one Abrahamic religion looks like all the rest to me.
Stephan Goodwin replied to Hugh Kramer's discussion 'Israeli singer given 39 lashes by rabbis' in the group Atheist News
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Americans do be dumber.
[News] (current.com top stories)Chances are that by now you've heard about the Aug. 19, 2010, Pew poll that found that nearly one fifth of Americans (mistakenly) believe that President Obama is a Muslim. Perhaps you think that a terrifying outlier; or perhaps you're a believer, and then you are in good company. Either way, you're wrong: in fact, remarkably high numbers of Americans believe the most unusual things. Although the portion of poll respondents who believe Obama is a Muslim has risen recently, some of ...

Chances are that by now you've heard about the Aug. 19, 2010, Pew poll that found that nearly one fifth of Americans (mistakenly) believe that President Obama is a Muslim. Perhaps you think that a terrifying outlier; or perhaps you're a believer, and then you are in good company. Either way, you're wrong: in fact, remarkably high numbers of Americans believe the most unusual things. Although the portion of poll respondents who believe Obama is a Muslim has risen recently, some of these oddball opinions contain more consistent numbers of believers. Here's a sampling of the nuttiest.
EVOLUTION vs CREATIONISM
To mark the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth, Gallup thought it might be a good idea to poll Americans on their beliefs of the British naturalist's theory. But the results must have had Darwin spinning in his grave, since only 39 percent of Americans believed in the theory. The good news: only a quarter said they didn't believe it; the remaining portion either didn't have an opinion or didn't answer. (Also, only 55 percent correctly linked Darwin's name with the theory.) However, it appears that views may, um, evolve: younger people believe in evolution at far higher rates than older ones.
WITCHCRAFT
It seems obvious that it's not a good idea to put too much stock in withcraft. But it turns out that 21 percent of Americans believe there are real sorcerors, conjurers, and warlocks out there. And that's just one of the several paranormal beliefs common among Americans, according to Gallup: 41 percent believe in ESP, 32 percent in ghosts, and a quarter in astrology. In fairness, the numbers in this poll are a little old—they date back to 2005. But then again, if people haven't changed their mind since the Enlightenment, it's not clear another half decade would make much difference.
DEATH PANELS
From Facebook to faith: that's how a spurious rumor became part of the national dialogue. On Facebook, Sarah Palin wrote in August 2009 that Obama would institute a "death panel" as part of health-care reform. Soon pundits and politicians were demagoguing the issue into common currency. Even in August 2010, one year after the initial burst and five months after health reform was signed into law, the belief lingers. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, four in 10 Americans mistakenly believe the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act creates a panel that makes decisions about end-of-life care.
SADDAM'S WMDs AND 9/11 INVOLVEMENT
Even years after claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction or had links to the September 11 attacks had been debunked, not all Americans were convinced. In a June 2007 NEWSWEEK poll, four years after the invasion of Iraq, 41 percent believed Saddam was involved in 9/11—even though President Bush had said otherwise as early as September 2003. Wild views on 9/11 are in fact still rampant. In September 2009, Public Policy Polling found that a quarter of Democrats suspected Bush had something to do with the attacks. Meanwhile, many Americans also remain convinced that Saddam had WMDs, even though inspectors haven't found any in the seven years since the invasion. Still, as of 2006, half of Americans believed that, according to Harris. Who knows where they got that idea?
HELIOCENTRISM
Didn't we clear this one up in the 16th century? Copernicus be damned, 20 percent of Americans were still sure in 1999 that the sun revolved around the Earth. Gallup, the pollster that conducted the study, gamely tried to dress it up by celebrating the fact that "four out of five Americans know Earth revolves around the sun," but we're not buying.
HISTORY OF RELIGION
If mutual understanding is the key to tolerance, we're in trouble. According to NEWSWEEK's 2007 What You Need to Know poll, barely half of Americans were correctly able to state that Judaism was older than both Christianity and Islam. Another 41 percent weren't sure; in case you're in that group, here goes: Judaism is the oldest of the Abrahamic faiths, followed by Christianity—which reveres the Jewish prophets (including Moses, above)—and then Islam, which reveres the Jewish prophets and also hails Jesus as a prophet.
Supreme Court vs. Seven Dwarfs
It's hard to imagine what inspired the pollsters at Zogby to ask the question, but the answer is striking: in a 2006 poll, more than three quarters of Americans could name at least two of the seven dwarfs, while not quite a quarter could name two members of the Supreme Court. NEWSWEEK's response is a split decision, if you will: on the one hand, Disney is as much a symbol of America as the high court, and those dwarfs are adorable. On the other hand, it should be easy to name only two out of a pool of nine options. Objection sustained!
WORLD GEOGRAPHY
Lost? Don't ask an American. Sixty-three percent of young Americans can't find Iraq on a map, despite the ongoing U.S involvement there. Nine out of 10 can't find Afghanistan—even if you give them the advantage of a map limited to Asia. And more than a third of Americans of any age can't identify the continent that's home to the Amazon River (above), the world's largest.
Three Stooges vs. Three Branches
What a bunch of knuckleheads: according to Zogby, the majority of Americans—three in four—can correctly identify Larry, Curly, and Moe as the Three Stooges. Only two out of five respondents, however, can correctly identify the executive, legislative, and judicial branches as the three wings of government.
FREEDOM OF RELIGION
Who needs constitutional constructionism? Not one in three Americans, apparently: that's the proportion that said in a 2008 First Amendment Center poll that the constitutional right to freedom of religion was never meant to apply to groups most folks think are extreme or fringe—a 10 percent increase from 2000. In 2007, two out of five Americans told the FAC that teachers should be allowed to lead prayers in public schools. You can see several years of the reports here.
PRESIDENT OBAMA'S RELIGION
Opponents of President Obama have been spreading false rumors about his religion for quite some time. Recently, however, it seems that the number of Americans who believe these untruths is on the rise. Among respondents to a Pew poll, 18 percent believed Obama was a Muslim, up from 11 percent in March 2009. A Time magazine poll last week found similar results: 24 percent believed he was a Muslim, while only 47 percent correctly identified him as a Christian. There's some evidence that the best indicator of belief that Obama is a Muslim is opposing him politically, casting doubt on the accuracy of the results. Then again, it wouldn't be the craziest thing Americans believe, would it?
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Seed
[Atheism] (ExChristian.Net -- encouraging ex-Christians)By Carl S ~ As a writer, I try to be very careful to know the meaning of the words I use. This involves not only articulation, but verification. As someone once pointed out about Western civilization, the phrase, “the Word was made flesh” has significant importance in our development, and so has the phrase, “the pen is mightier than the sword.” When in doubt, I consult the dictionary, usually finding more to the word than I expected. Image by zampano!!! via FlickrOne word that’s get ...
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As a writer, I try to be very careful to know the meaning of the words I use. This involves not only articulation, but verification. As someone once pointed out about Western civilization, the phrase, “the Word was made flesh” has significant importance in our development, and so has the phrase, “the pen is mightier than the sword.” When in doubt, I consult the dictionary, usually finding more to the word than I expected.
One word that’s getting a lot of usage lately is “seminal.” Just what are they talking about? In the contexts of commentaries and discussions, it means, “providing a basis for further development.” It also means “creative,” and, get this, “of or relating to semen.” On the same page are found “seminary” (school for the training of priests, rabbis, ministers), “seminar,” again, same Latin root word, semen, a seminar being a “seed plot.”
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According to the searchable bibles at Biblegateway.com, the word “seed” appears 254 times in the King James Version. So, while we are considering the Bronze Age texts, we might also think about the fertility religions which Abrahamic religions borrowed from. We should.
Many years ago, I read a book by John Allegro, a scholar of comparative religious texts, pre-Bronze Age included - Ancient Greek, Latin, Egyptian, Sanskrit, etc. Professor Allegro wrote in “The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross,” of translating texts in search of their root words, to ascertain if they were speaking of common beliefs. He mentions in this book that the initial root word to describe the deity, “God,” means: giant penis. (Also the subject of a fictitious archaeological find in James Michener’s novel, “The Source.”)
The monotheistic god is a father, not the mother goddess of fertility. The penis has returned. And, naturally, this god favors and rewards males and male offspring, telling them that their “seed” will prosper, shall be as the sands of the desert, that many children will be their blessings. “Increase and multiply, fill the earth,” is an oft-repeated command. Plant the semen/seeds, and voila! - bumper crops all around.
It’s very important to keep in mind another matter in reading these texts; they also believed that the male carried the entire baby in his sperm (a “homunculus” or “miniature man”), that the woman was merely the fertile ground (and cursed is the woman who isn’t), just as seeds produced plants. This explains why it is a major immorality to ”waste” that semen.
This explains a LOT. For instance, why only males are listed in their genealogies, and why, when pagan tribes were annihilated by the Israelites, virgins were kidnapped for the implantation of the Chosen male People’s seed. It also explains why a virgin can be impregnated by a god, as is stated in Genesis, Ch. 6, where “the sons of God went into the daughters of humans, who bore children to them.”
Enter reality. Here’s a MAJOR problem for bible believers: it doesn’t work that way. The chromosomes come half from the father and half from the mother for ALL progeny, including Jesus, those OTHER “sons of God,” and the pagan virgins kidnapped to become fertile ground to create more “pure” chosen people. So you always had fifty percent pagan genes that their god was not aware existed!
There we have it: Bronze Age Fertility religion smashes up against the reality of life - again. Yet, in the 21st century, they’re still preaching masturbation is immoral, homosexuality is “unnatural,” because it “wastes” seed and produces no progeny, and abortion is murder. This explains also why many believers STILL regard women as property, and would prohibit them from having control of their bodies in which a male has implanted his seed, even in cases of rape or incest.
This absolutely obsessive tradition of HOLY seed has to cease; this madness of having more and more children in a fully populated world, is bible-based. Seed-obsession is causing suffering, starving, stonings, botched abortions, deaths and many other human rights violations everywhere monotheist religions have, or strive to have, domination.
It is imperative to confront that father-figure-big-penis-god, to stop worshipping it, that passionate erection that commands louder than reason, sanity, conscience, and justice, too often and in too many lives. If that god is a “spirit,” just why is it male? Or has that been cleared up by now?
In the realm of emotions, sometimes a song is not “just a song,” a game is not “just a game,” nor words “only words,” and beliefs “only beliefs” (although THEY actually are). But sperm is only sperm.
Evolution is everywhere, including the adaptability of religion, which often ignores the obvious in endeavoring to conform to civilizing influences. But, the “words of the lord,” are forever, so they are in the root systems, even now. Like evolutionary evidence, once you become aware of it, the more examples you find of it.
Don’t take my word for it. (That’s how you got trapped into your former beliefs- trusting and believing someone else’s claims.) Read John Allegro’s beginning chapter of “The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.” Also check out his credentials.
[A final message to believers of every religion: With your FAITH, you CAN’T be wrong.]
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Midday open thread
[Politics] (Daily Kos)Unlike the hysteria of the conservative movement, this thread joins the United States Constitution in expressing its support for the free exercise of religion. Ron Johnson, the Tea Party Republican challenging Senator Feingold in Wisconsin, blames climate change on sunspots. Yep. Sunspots. Netroots Nation 2011 starts June 16, 2011 in Minneapolis--and registration is already open! You don't want to be that eager Kossack looking to sign up at the last minute wondering if anyone has a registration ...
Unlike the hysteria of the conservative movement, this thread joins the United States Constitution in expressing its support for the free exercise of religion.
- Ron Johnson, the Tea Party Republican challenging Senator Feingold in Wisconsin, blames climate change on sunspots. Yep. Sunspots.
- Netroots Nation 2011 starts June 16, 2011 in Minneapolis--and registration is already open! You don't want to be that eager Kossack looking to sign up at the last minute wondering if anyone has a registration to sell.
- And speaking of Netroots Nation: if you're out west, save the date of November 6. Netroots California is coming to San Francisco!
- For all you video game players out there: The first two chapters in the legendary Bioshock shooter series were biting social commentaries on the philosophies of Ayn Rand and Karl Marx, respectively. The third will take on a different political philosophy: American exceptionalism. Can't wait.
- This was diaried recently by Zain, but it deserves more emphasis. As the manufactured controversy surrounding the Cordoba House continues to rage, special attention should be paid to the words spoken by Imam Rauf, the cleric leading the effort, at the memorial service for Daniel Pearl, the journalist brutally murdered in Pakistan by terrorist Islamists:
We are here to assert the Islamic conviction of the moral equivalency of our Abrahamic faiths. If to be a Jew means to say with all one's heart, mind and soul Shma` Yisrael, Adonai Elohenu Adonai Ahad; hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One, not only today I am a Jew, I have always been one, Mr. Pearl.
If to be a Christian is to love the Lord our God with all of my heart, mind and soul, and to love for my fellow human being what I love for myself, then not only am I a Christian, but I have always been one Mr. Pearl.
And I am here to inform you, with the full authority of the Quranic texts and the practice of the Prophet Muhammad, that to say La ilaha illallah Muhammadun rasulullah is no different.
It expresses the same theological and ethical principles and values.
As Jeffrey Goldberg points out, these aren't just nice, appeasing words to say. They could carry some consequences:
There are those who would argue that these represent mere words, chosen carefully to appease a potentially suspicious audience. I would argue something different: That any Muslim imam who stands before a Jewish congregation and says, "I am a Jew," is placing his life in danger. Remember, Islamists hate the people they consider apostates even more than they hate Christians and Jews. In other words, the man many commentators on the right assert is a terrorist-sympathizer placed himself in mortal peril in order to identify himself with Christians and Jews, and specifically with the most famous Jewish victim of Islamism.
And yet: instead of eagerly promoting this cleric--and promoting our national security in the process--the right wing has chosen to attack him and cast aspersions on all Muslim Americans in the process--all in the hopes of short-term political gain. Hmmm...where have we seen this before?
- Republican Meg Whitman, the billionaire CEO who is attempting to buy the Governorship of California and has already spent at least $113 million of her own money just to be at a dead heat in the polls with Democrat Jerry Brown, says that her administration would defend Proposition 8 in the appeals and Supreme Court process. Just one more reason she should never see the inside of the Governor's mansion.
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Museum Spaces: Connecting to the Cosmos
[News, Video] (FORA.tv - Program Feed)Museum Spaces: Connecting to the Cosmos What makes space sacred? Legendary religious destinations? Natural or created beauty? Is sacred space defined by what happened there? In this lecture series (in partnership with the World Monuments Fund), Chautauqua Institution explores the confluence of religion, architecture, history, geography, and culture. Speakers discuss the sacred spaces of the Abrahamic traditions, the communal spaces that define civilization, and the sacred in the personal t ...
Museum Spaces: Connecting to the Cosmos
What makes space sacred? Legendary religious destinations? Natural or created beauty? Is sacred space defined by what happened there? In this lecture series (in partnership with the World Monuments Fund), Chautauqua Institution explores the confluence of religion, architecture, history, geography, and culture.
Speakers discuss the sacred spaces of the Abrahamic traditions, the communal spaces that define civilization, and the sacred in the personal that provides peace amid chaos. Through the ten lectures, audiences visit some of the most important and threatened historically sacred sites of the world.
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:45:00 -0700
Location: Chautauqua, NY, Chautauqua Amphitheater, Chautauqua Institution
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Rabbi Michael Melchior on Jerusalem: A Sacred Space
[News, Video] (FORA.tv - Program Feed)Rabbi Michael Melchior on Jerusalem: A Sacred Space The Chautauqua Institution's Department of Religion observes Abrahamic week by focusing on the most iconic of sacred spaces -- considered by the three Abrahamic Faiths as the most holy of sacred places -- Jerusalem. Invited from Jerusalem to participate in the conversation are members of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths who can impart both their understandings of how this penultimate sacred space came to be so regarded, as well a ...
Rabbi Michael Melchior on Jerusalem: A Sacred Space
The Chautauqua Institution's Department of Religion observes Abrahamic week by focusing on the most iconic of sacred spaces -- considered by the three Abrahamic Faiths as the most holy of sacred places -- Jerusalem.
Invited from Jerusalem to participate in the conversation are members of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths who can impart both their understandings of how this penultimate sacred space came to be so regarded, as well as their visions of how it might be shared in peace.
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:00:00 -0700
Location: Chautauqua, NY, Hall of Philosophy, Chautauqua Institution
Program and discussion: http://fora.tv/2010/08/10/Rabbi_Michael_Melchior_on_Jerusalem_A_Sacred_Space -
Elizabeth Rogers: Sacred Nature and Romantic Landscape
[News, Video] (FORA.tv - Program Feed)Elizabeth Rogers: Sacred Nature and Romantic Landscape What makes space sacred? Legendary religious destinations? Natural or created beauty? Is sacred space defined by what happened there? In this lecture series, (in partnership with the World Monuments Fund), Chautauqua Institution explores the confluence of religion, architecture, history, geography, and culture. Speakers discuss the sacred spaces of the Abrahamic traditions, the communal spaces that define civilization, and the sacred i ...
Elizabeth Rogers: Sacred Nature and Romantic Landscape
What makes space sacred? Legendary religious destinations? Natural or created beauty? Is sacred space defined by what happened there? In this lecture series, (in partnership with the World Monuments Fund), Chautauqua Institution explores the confluence of religion, architecture, history, geography, and culture.
Speakers discuss the sacred spaces of the Abrahamic traditions, the communal spaces that define civilization, and the sacred in the personal that provides peace amid chaos. Through the ten lectures, audiences visit some of the most important and threatened historically sacred sites of the world.
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:45:00 -0700
Location: Chautauqua, NY, Chautauqua Amphitheater, Chautauqua Institution
Program and discussion: http://fora.tv/2010/08/11/Elizabeth_Rogers_Sacred_Nature_and_Romantic_Landscape -
Ori Soltes: Jerusalem as a Sacred Space
[News, Video] (FORA.tv - Program Feed)Ori Soltes: Jerusalem as a Sacred Space The Chautauqua Institution's Department of Religion observes Abrahamic week by focusing on the most iconic of sacred spaces -- considered by the three Abrahamic Faiths as the most holy of sacred places -- Jerusalem. Invited from Jerusalem to participate in the conversation are members of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths who can impart both their understandings of how this penultimate sacred space came to be so regarded, as well as their visi ...
Ori Soltes: Jerusalem as a Sacred Space
The Chautauqua Institution's Department of Religion observes Abrahamic week by focusing on the most iconic of sacred spaces -- considered by the three Abrahamic Faiths as the most holy of sacred places -- Jerusalem.
Invited from Jerusalem to participate in the conversation are members of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths who can impart both their understandings of how this penultimate sacred space came to be so regarded, as well as their visions of how it might be shared in peace.
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:00:00 -0700
Location: Chautauqua, NY, Hall of Philosophy, Chautauqua Institution
Program and discussion: http://fora.tv/2010/08/11/Ori_Soltes_Jerusalem_as_a_Sacred_Space -
Yossi Klein Halevi: Lessons From a Jewish Journey
[News, Video] (FORA.tv - Program Feed)Yossi Klein Halevi: Lessons From a Jewish Journey The Chautauqua Institution's Department of Religion observes Abrahamic week by focusing on the most iconic of sacred spaces -- considered by the three Abrahamic Faiths as the most holy of sacred places -- Jerusalem. Invited from Jerusalem to participate in the conversation are members of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths who can impart both their understandings of how this penultimate sacred space came to be so regarded, as well as ...
Yossi Klein Halevi: Lessons From a Jewish Journey
The Chautauqua Institution's Department of Religion observes Abrahamic week by focusing on the most iconic of sacred spaces -- considered by the three Abrahamic Faiths as the most holy of sacred places -- Jerusalem.
Invited from Jerusalem to participate in the conversation are members of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths who can impart both their understandings of how this penultimate sacred space came to be so regarded, as well as their visions of how it might be shared in peace.
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:00:00 -0700
Location: Chautauqua, NY, Hall of Philosophy, Chautauqua Institution
Program and discussion: http://fora.tv/2010/08/12/Yossi_Klein_Halevi_Lessons_From_a_Jewish_Journey -
Rev. Chane on Jerusalem: A Holy City in Crisis
[News, Video] (FORA.tv - Program Feed)Rev. Chane on Jerusalem: A Holy City in Crisis The Chautauqua Institution's Department of Religion observes Abrahamic week by focusing on the most iconic of sacred spaces -- considered by the three Abrahamic Faiths as the most holy of sacred places -- Jerusalem. Invited from Jerusalem to participate in the conversation are members of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths who can impart both their understandings of how this penultimate sacred space came to be so regarded, as well as the ...
Rev. Chane on Jerusalem: A Holy City in Crisis
The Chautauqua Institution's Department of Religion observes Abrahamic week by focusing on the most iconic of sacred spaces -- considered by the three Abrahamic Faiths as the most holy of sacred places -- Jerusalem.
Invited from Jerusalem to participate in the conversation are members of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths who can impart both their understandings of how this penultimate sacred space came to be so regarded, as well as their visions of how it might be shared in peace.
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:00:00 -0700
Location: Chautauqua, NY, Chautauqua Hall of Philosophy, Chautauqua Institution
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Sacred Spaces, Shared Visions The Depart…
[Islam, Muslim] (Talk Islam)Sacred Spaces, Shared Visions The Department of Religion observes Abrahamic week by focusing on the most iconic of sacred spaces — considered by the three Abrahamic Faiths as the most holy of sacred places — Jerusalem. Invited from Jerusalem to participate in the conversation are members of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths who can This post: "Sacred Spaces, Shared Visions The Depart…" was originally posted at Talk Islam - a crescent waxing eloquent. The RSS feed may ...
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A Bull-Dyke Writes
[Pagan] (A Weblog for Our Mother God)hi, I'm a lesbian bulldyke feminist & drag king super queer & I dig that you've got a brand new womyn-only religion. I have to add tho since I studied feminist studies, the original religion may be "matristic" but not anything like what you want it to be. First of all monotheism is an invention of Jews after Babylonian captivity, and only after Jews came in contact with civilized world of Mesopotamia. All primitive/native religions are animistic and polytheistic (even that is misleading cos the ...
hi, I'm a lesbian bulldyke feminist & drag king super queer & I dig that you've got a brand new womyn-only religion. I have to add tho since I studied feminist studies, the original religion may be "matristic" but not anything like what you want it to be. First of all monotheism is an invention of Jews after Babylonian captivity, and only after Jews came in contact with civilized world of Mesopotamia. All primitive/native religions are animistic and polytheistic (even that is misleading cos they did not have that inflated big almighty god delusion). Second, the old way was never womyn-only or gynocentric, but only egalitarian, with womyn entrusted with mysteries. Third, there was no hierarchy or what you call traditional social orders before patriarchy. People lived peacefully with the Gaia & everyone was equal. I hope you get some enlightenment, this is okay but still classist, elitist and anti-democratic, just like xtianity. And of course our foremothers all believed in evolution and probably attended the Democratic National Convention. Sorry to be a little flippant, but really - what an overwhelming coincidence that the earth's most ancient civilizations just happened to believe exactly what modern liberals believe and to espouse ideologies of the past few centuries of white European thought. There are so many specifics that might be answered here. To take one: the idea that "monotheism" was invented by the Abrahamic faiths, for example is a vast oversimplification. It would be much truer to say that polytheism was invented by the Hebraic cultus. What do we mean by that? We mean that outside of the Hebraic sphere the whole monotheist/polytheist pseudo-argument has never existed. All "native" religions recognize multiple powers, but also recognize a supreme unity. So do we. As for ourselves: do we worship one God, or do we call Her three? Or Seven? The question really only arises when one starts treating the matter with an inappropriate literalism. But "polytheism" in the Hebraic sense of the term has only rarely existed and that in spiritually degenerate societies such as those of the Classical era in Europe. Were the hebraic traditions wrong to attack polytheism? No, because they were confronted with societies in which the multiplicity of the Divine had been over-literalized to the extent that the sense of the Absolute was lost. But they were certainly wrong when they imagined that Hindus or most native peoples were "polytheist" in that sense. But to say "I believe in polytheism" - a word coined and defined by Hebraists and taking it in precisely the pejorative sense that they rightly condemned - is to say: "I believe in a universe of pure relativity in which there is no center and no absolute. I believe in a godless universe." Which of course is precisely what large numbers of people do believe: but there is no warrant for projecting those very recent beliefs on our ancient mothers. -
Prop 8: Should Gays and Lesbians Be Allowed to Marry?
[Movies, Finance, Sports, Fashion, Beauty] (Black Entertainment, Money, Style and Beauty Blogs - Black Voices)Filed under: News, Politics, Race and Civil Rights A California judge recently struck down as unconstitutional Proposition 8, a voter-approved ballot measure that banned same-sex marriages. "Proposition 8 both unconstitutionally burdens the exercise of the fundamental right to marry and creates an irrational classification on the basis of sexual orientation," U.S. District Chief Judge Vaughn R. Walker wrote in his decision. African-Americans in California were heavily criticized for votin ...
Filed under: News, Politics, Race and Civil Rights

A California judge recently struck down as unconstitutional Proposition 8, a voter-approved ballot measure that banned same-sex marriages.
"Proposition 8 both unconstitutionally burdens the exercise of the fundamental right to marry and creates an irrational classification on the basis of sexual orientation," U.S. District Chief Judge Vaughn R. Walker wrote in his decision.
African-Americans in California were heavily criticized for voting for the measure. About 58 percent of blacks supported the measure in November 2008 even as they overwhelmingly voted for President Obama. Given this country's history of discrimination against African-Americans, many did not understand how blacks could support a measure that discriminates against another group.
The decision will surely be appealed and Prop 8 supporters are desperately trying to block the ruling from making gay marriage legal again. Black Voices is interested in how you feel about Proposition 8 and the idea of gay marriage.
Check out a few comments from fellow BV readers below and then chime in.
Pastor Matthew H. Maxwell.
"I have learned while ministering to God's people that I should not judge God's people. That is for Him alone, since I have no heaven to keep people out of nor a hell to put anyone in. There are a lot of laws or do's and do not's in the Bible, but we generally focus on the ones that don't affect us, like eating shellfish (read in the Old Testament).
Judge not and ye shall not be judged. Let the wheat grow with the tare. They both must be able to recieve what they need to grow."

Carol Level, service technician.
"So...what was the point of all us folk here in Cali going to the polls to vote when ONE judge, in a single motion, wiped out all those votes!! Homosexuality is wrong, no more or less than lying is wrong. And again I say, what was the point of dragging numerous folks to the polls convinced that their vote means something, only to have ONE judge reverse the entire vote?
It is all an enormous waste of taxpayer time and money.This is a perfect example of how we have become complacent and accepting of any and everything!!!"
Jacquie Minerva George, nurse and mother of two.
"I'm pro marriage equality. I believe that religious institutions where same sex marriage/relationships go against their beliefs should be exempt from marrying such couples. However, not everyone agrees with it. Meaning, don't come into the place I worship (who is willing to marry same sex couples) and tell us not to, because we're not telling you what you ought to do.
I believe a state in New England (New Hampshire, I'm guessing) has this clause to the marriage equality bill. It exempts religious institutions that disagree with same sex marriage from marrying a same sex couple.
This is similar to what happened in Louisiana, when a white man who is a justice of peace, refused to marry an interracial couple. I know people will say it is not the same thing, yet, in that bigoted man's mind --- interracial relationships are equal to homosexual relationships. He believed that races should not mix like those who believe same sex relationships shouldn't exist.
The same bigoted response I heard from that man about the children being confused is the same argument opponents of same sex marriage use. I personally don't see a difference. However, if that were me and he refused to marry me (I was in an interracial marriage, now divorced) I wouldn't even bother to persuade him. I just would go to someone that would. Why would I want someone who would bring negative energy to my wedding to bless it?
I also heard the argument about the three Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) in the U.S where a union is made with God. Although I do believe in my personal faith, it is a union of The Divine - The spiritual path I follow doesn't believe that the Divine discriminates. Furthermore I know plenty of atheists who get married and they omit God in their ceremony, are they permitted to marry? The only reason why I stated the United States is because Israel, dominated by Jews and the birthplace/home of Jews, will honor same sex marriages from other countries (i.e. if you're married in a country that same sex marriage is legal then you're considered married in Israel). They also allow gays in the military -- you would think that a holy place like that would be more orthodox but they are not! Spain finally legalized same sex marriage and everyone in Europe was shocked, because Spain is a prominent Catholic/Christian country in European.
If these countries that gave birth to Abrahamic religions can separate church from state then why can't America, which is supposed to represent a freedom that is inspiring? That freedom is in our first amendment, the freedom of religion or to practice and worship according to each individual's denomination and/or faith. My faith accepts same sex marriages. I guess I wouldn't want anyone to tell me that I can't marry who I love based on their faith, belief, fear, or bigotry because it is really my marriage -- not yours." -
A.L.L. Religion in Afghanistan
[Military] (Afghan&Military Blog)ISLAM • Abrahamic religion-shares roots with Judaism and Christianity • Qur’an holy book – infallible authority • Five Pillars: Testimony of faith (Shahada), Prayer (Salat), Charity (Zakat), Pilgrimage to Mecca (Hajj), Fasting during month of Ramadan (Sawm) • Other Beliefs: Faith (Iman), Oneness of God (Tawhid), Prophets, Angels, Judgment Day, the Books (Qur’an, Bible, Torah), ...
ISLAM • Abrahamic religion-shares roots with Judaism and Christianity • Qur’an holy book – infallible authority • Five Pillars: Testimony of faith (Shahada), Prayer (Salat), Charity (Zakat), Pilgrimage to Mecca (Hajj), Fasting during month of Ramadan (Sawm) • Other Beliefs: Faith (Iman), Oneness of God (Tawhid), Prophets, Angels, Judgment Day, the Books (Qur’an, Bible, Torah), [...] -
Azim Nanji: Sacred Spaces, Shared Visions
[News, Video] (FORA.tv - Program Feed)Azim Nanji: Sacred Spaces, Shared Visions The Department of Religion observes Abrahamic week by focusing on the most iconic of sacred spaces -- considered by the three Abrahamic Faiths as the most holy of sacred places -- Jerusalem. Invited from Jerusalem to participate in the conversation are members of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths who can impart both their understandings of how this penultimate sacred space came to be so regarded, as well as their visions of how it might be s ...
Azim Nanji: Sacred Spaces, Shared Visions
The Department of Religion observes Abrahamic week by focusing on the most iconic of sacred spaces -- considered by the three Abrahamic Faiths as the most holy of sacred places -- Jerusalem. Invited from Jerusalem to participate in the conversation are members of the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths who can impart both their understandings of how this penultimate sacred space came to be so regarded, as well as their visions of how it might be shared in peace.
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 14:00:00 -0700
Location: Chautauqua, NY, Hall of Philosophy, Chautauqua Institution
Program and discussion: http://fora.tv/2010/08/09/Azim_Nanji_Sacred_Spaces_Shared_Visions -
The Dutch Ummah Comes to Ground Zero
[Austria] (Gates of Vienna)The organization behind the proposed Cordoba Initiative — more commonly known as the Ground Zero mosque — is the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA). As reported here previously, the government of the Netherlands has been implicated in the funding of ASMA — $500,000 and $1,000,000 respectively, in separate instances — and thus can be considered a co-financier of the Ground Zero mosque. The Dutch government stoutly denies funding the Cordoba Initiative, maintaining that the mo ...
The organization behind the proposed Cordoba Initiative — more commonly known as the Ground Zero mosque — is the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA). As reported here previously, the government of the Netherlands has been implicated in the funding of ASMA — $500,000 and $1,000,000 respectively, in separate instances — and thus can be considered a co-financier of the Ground Zero mosque.
The Dutch government stoutly denies funding the Cordoba Initiative, maintaining that the money it gave ASMA was earmarked for other uses. Overlooking for the moment the fact that money is fungible — funds specified for one purpose may free up money for another — how plausible is the official denial? Can the generosity of the Netherlands with its taxpayers’ money be traced directly to the Victory Mosque at Ground Zero?
Our Flemish correspondent VH has translated a massive investigative article from the Dutch-language section of the ICLA website which provides some answers to these questions. He says, “The more pressure (scandal) on the Dutch the better, now that the CDA is slightly annoyed that Wilders will speak in New York on 9/11.”
A Mosque Too Far II: Does a Dutch minister mislead parliament over the Ground Zero mosque?
In late July the Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs, Maxime Verhagen (CDA, Christian Democrats) answered parliamentary questions from the Party for Freedom (PVV) about the involvement of the Netherlands with the organization behind the Ground Zero mosque[1] (MDG3 Fund; Millennium Development Goals). In his answers the Dutch Minister denies involvement, because according to his information ASMA would have nothing to do with the Ground Zero mosque.
However, on closer examination of both ASMA and The Cordoba Initiative and the 2009 Audit of ASMA, the opposite seems to be the case. The Netherlands indeed is involved. ASMA — which received a grant of €1,000,000 for the term October 13, 2008 to June 30, 2011 from the Dutch MDG3 Fund — and the Cordoba Initiative are deeply intertwined with respect to leadership, organization, and financing. Therefore the assumption of the Dutch Minister that ASMA has nothing to do with The Cordoba Initiative is wrong, and his answers to Dutch parliament do no correspond with the facts.
Below are comments on the replies of the Minister who since the fall of the government Balkenende replaces the resigned responsible Minster of Development Cooperation Bert Koenders (PvdA, Labour Party, Socialists):
Answers from Mr. Verhagen, Minister of Foreign Affairs, to questions of members Wilders and Fritsma (PVV) on ‘the co-financing by the Netherlands of a mosque on Ground Zero’.
Question 1: Is it true that Dutch taxpayers’ money is used for the support of the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA), the organization Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, who wants to build a mosque on Ground Zero?
Answer: No, the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA) is not involved in the construction of a mosque at Ground Zero in the United States. For that reason, therefore, there is thus no Dutch tax money used.
However, the American Society for Muslim Advancement does receive subsidy from the Dutch MDG3 Fund to implement the program of the Women’s Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equity (WISE) Compact program. […]
First: ASMA (American Society for Muslim Advancement) at the website of the Cordoba Initiative, which wants to build the mosque Ground Zero, is called a “partner organization”.
Second: The co-founder and Director of ASMA, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, is co-founder, Director and Chairman of the Board of The Cordoba Initiative.” Also Daisy Khan, director of ASMA, is co-founder and Director of The Cordoba Initiative, which has as “principal place of business” the office address of the ASMA society.[2]
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Third: Faisal Rauf himself suggests that the Netherlands supports the Cordoba Initiative, “My Cordoba Initiative is supported by both the West and the Muslim world,” he insists. “My work has drawn the attention of governments of many countries,” he said, naming Malaysia, Qatar, the Netherlands and Britain. And that corresponds with the facts: ASMA and the ‘Cordoba Initiative are one, thus is ASMA involved in the (planning of) the construction of the mosque.
Northeast Intelligence Network (NIW) has examined the books of ASMA and concludes:
Abdul-Rauf founded the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA) in 1997, which has been run by his wife, Daisy KHAN since 2005. According to a review of financial statements, ASMA is the fiscal agent for the Cordoba Initiative. The Cordoba Initiative and the American Society for Muslim Advancement share the same infrastructure, space, and other operational assets, making them virtually one in the same, except on paper.
In the Audit [html, pdf] it is indeed stated that The Cordoba Initiative and ASMA are sister organizations, “sharing the same infrastructure, space, utilities, vendor services and co-sponsorship of programs to remain fiscally lean and keep operational costs low for both” [Audit, p.10], which in fact means they basically operate as one: “ASMA is acting as a fiscal agent and is developing Cordoba’s ability to function independently.”
Fourth: As NIW further sates, a review of the same financial statements provides interesting insight into the funding of ASMA: International donations included $576,312 from the government of Qatar and $481,942 from the Millennial Development Goals Fund (MDG3) of the Netherlands [according to Ayssa Lappen transferred directly to ASMA, only days before Feisal Abdul Rauf closed the purchase of the building on June 20, 2009]. Also remarkable is a $53,664 contribution from the U.N. Population Fund (UNFPA) of which the Netherlands is the biggest sponsor: “We are by and large the biggest donor to UNFPA, and also will continue to be,” Minister of Development Cooperation Bert Koenders said in 2009 in the Dutch Parliament. Daisy Khan, who is Director of both The Cordoba Initiative and ASMA, is and supervising ASMA’s program WISE, joined a UNFPA conference in 2009 with the theme “Women’s Empowerment” on behalf of the ASMA Society.
Besides the “Cordoba House“ (the Ground Zero mosque), the Cordoba Initiative itself labels not only ASMA as its partner organization, but also the “intrafaith” program of ASMA, “WISE“ (Women’s Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equality) as one of its projects, quote:
Women’s Empowerment (WISE): Coming Soon: The Women’s Islamic Initiative wisemuslimwomen.org in Spirituality and Equality (WISE) Portal is Currently in development. Following the feedback Received at the WISE conference in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, we are working hard to complete the portal and launch AIM to consistently Ramadan.
WISE is the ASMA project for which the Dutch funding is intended.
On WISE Muslim women, Daisy Khan is quoted as saying: “We must lift up the truth of Islam, a truth that has inspired positive social change for fourteen hundred years,” which shows chutzpah. It further mentions: “[Daisy Khan] has led numerous interfaith events, such as the […] Cordoba Bread Fest Banquet.” This “Cordoba Bread Fest Banquet” is mentioned by the Cordoba Initiative website as “an accomplishment of The Cordoba Initiative leadership team”, and Daisy Khan presents herself as one of those:
2003 June: Córdoba Bread Fest: The Children of Abraham Break Bread Together. Organized by Daisy Khan and the ASMA Society, the Cordoba Bread Fest convened over three hundred Christians, Jews and Muslims to break bread, dine together and share stories about the historic role of bread in the different Abrahamic religions and cultures.
In addition, WISE is mentioned by the Cordoba Initiative website as an accomplishment of the Cordoba Initiative leadership team: “2006 November: WISE—Women’s Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equity The WISE conference, organized by Daisy Khan [of the Cordoba Initiative] and the ASMA Society and co-sponsored by the Cordoba Initiative.”
The ASMA Society states: “WISE: Women’s Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equality programs [and “Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow” (MLT)] were launched at an international scale in Doha (MLT) and in Malaysia (WISE).
According to the Audit, ASMA has, including staff for WISE, etc., a total budget for the period 13 October 2008 to 30 June 2011 of US $1,000,000 (Audit, p. 10), which corresponds to the mentioned official Dutch Millennium Development Goals Fund (MDG3) grant to WISE for exactly that period (October 13, 2008 to June 30, 2011). The grant of €1,000,000 (circa US $1,300,000), however, cannot be found as such in the books, except possibly the mentioned “temporary restricted” grant/contribution of US$1,298,918 [Audit, p.3]. It seems in any case that the Dutch grant covers the operating costs of the organization as a whole over the period October 2008-June 2011.
Furthermore, ASMA is not included in the Guidestar declarations of “nonprofit reports and Forms 990”, which is mandatory for a non-profit organization such as ASMA. This means that no tax report has been filed, which would be illegal. Thus there is no transparency, which suggests ASMA may not be a bona fide organization.
Rep. Peter King (R-LI), who opposes the mosque, said in the New York Post that the developers seem to be operating under false pretenses. “I wonder what else they are hiding,”… “If we can’t have the full truth on this, what can we believe?”
Conclusion: Contrary to what the Dutch Foreign Affairs Minister Maxime Verhagen states (on behalf of former Minister Bert Koenders), ASMA is indeed related — and not insignificantly (including financially) — to the Cordoba Initiative, the organization that wants to build the Ground Zero mosque. Both Faisal Rauf and Daisy Khan represent “The Cordoba Initiative” and ASMA, and both organizations are deeply intertwined. This means a subsidy to ASMA for the WISE program also benefits The Cordoba Initiative organization.
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WISE has as its aim the self-determination and full participation of Muslim women in their communities. To achieve this goal, activities focus on among other things the reform of existing legislation, the design of new legislation, and training for women, activities that are oriented towards increased equality between women and men.
Concerning the “women empowerment” of WISE, Daisy Khan states the following in an article for the Rockefeller Fund:
It is my dream that 2009 will be a watershed year for Muslim women’s activism and organizing. To achieve this goal, WISE will offer lectures, panel discussions, and training sessions on effectively promoting women’s human rights within an Islamic legal framework [=sharia] at its 2009 conference. With these initiatives, WISE will continue to create a space where Muslim women from every field, branch of Islam, and region of the world can dialogue, debate, and collaborate.
That determination of the principles of WISE, which is within sharia, simply means that WISE does not want to question sharia itself, “laws absolutely incompatible with the principles of democracy, laws violating each and every human right you can think of, laws rejecting our basic civilizational concept of human dignity,” says Gandalf of the Alliance to Stop Sharia.
WISE thus in principle does not promote the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of 1948, let alone those of women in general, but the Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam of the OIC which is based on sharia, and for instance allows men and women the “right to marriage, regardless of race, color or nationality,” but not regardless of their religion. Moreover, women in the Cairo Declaration are granted “equal dignity”, but not equal rights in general, nor is apostasy recognized as a human right.
Another link (of the many) between ASMA/WISE and the “Cordoba Initiative is the co-sponsoring of conferences: The Cordoba Initiative, which co-sponsored the WISE conference, is a non-profit organisation with offices in New York and Kuala Lumpur. It is funded by the Malaysian government and other sources in both western and Muslim countries.”
They do this primarily in Afghanistan, Egypt and Pakistan.
That “greater equality between women and men” mentioned by the Dutch Minister has not led to much more than some meetings and conferences, like one in which Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf of ASMA most notably announced his “Shariah Index Project”:
Many countries are Islamic, but some may be more Islamic than others. Now moves are afoot to rate nations according to how closely they adhere to the principles of Islam.
From IIIT:
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, founder and President of Cordoba Initiative briefed a select group of scholars and IIIT [International Institute of Islamic Thought] staff [3] on Friday, December 19, 2008 on the Shari’ah Index Project, a pioneering effort which aims at developing an index based on Maqasid al Shari’ah for the purpose of measuring the performance of Muslim countries in relation to the implementation of Shari’ah.
The Dutch Minister only lists Afghanistan, Egypt and Pakistan, and not Malaysia, which is remarkable. Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf an his wife Daisy Khan maintain excellent contacts with Islamists in politics and government within Malaysia, and they even have an office in Kuala Lumpur (The Cordoba Initiative/ASMA: travel expenses maybe paid for by the Dutch subsidy, see the Audit), and precisely that country is excluded from the list. The Dutch embassy sums up as target countries for The Cordoba Initiative/ASMA’s WISE project: “Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, India, Jordan, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan, Palestinian Administrative Areas, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and Turkey”, also leaving out Malaysia. A country with a increasing Muslim majority and increasing gender inequality and discrimination against non-Muslims. Is this country not in the WISE program because the Rauf family has such comfortable ties with the Islamists of Malaysia?
Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf for that matter is also a prominent member of the Malaysia-based Perdana Global Peace Organisation (PGPO), the largest donor ($366,000 as of June 2010) to the Free Gaza Movement [the Gaza Flotilla] which is also the coordinator of the flotilla’s operations along with the Turkish Hamas-affiliated organization IHH that was recently banned in Germany. The PGPO is also the founder of the “Kuala Lumpur International War Crimes Tribunal” that condemned the United States and Israel in 2003 for the invasion of Iraq and the Arab-Israeli conflict. [source] Faisal Rauf is one of the signatories, along with the former Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohamad, who is the founder of the PGPO.
The lines therefore are short. Still, Faisal Rauf does no “bridge building” in Malaysia, nor stands up there for “greater equality between women and men” or “equal rights for [all, including] women.” On the contrary. Concerning the heated controversy about whether Christians in Malaysia were allowed or not to call their God Allah, the Netherlands-subsidized Imam Faisal Rauf of the Cordoba Initiative/ASMA wrote:
My message to the Christian community in Malaysia is that using the word Allah to mean the Christian God may be theologically and legally correct, but in the context of Malaysia, it is socially provocative. If you want to have influence with people in Malaysia, you must find a way to convey your message without provoking this kind of response.
If you want to reach the Malays, then use the Malay word for God, which is Tuhan.
About the burka, he explained away:
For Muslims, respect for the Prophet Muhammad is much more sacred than respect for elders. In fact, Muslims would not insult Jesus or Moses because they were prophets of God and demand respect. The same is true on the issue of the burqa, which covers the entire body and face, leaving just a slit for the eyes. In the Western world now, the right to wear almost anything has become a symbol of freedom. It is an expression of women’s equality. In the Muslim world, men and women dress so they are not provocative to one another.
Regarding the penalty for an Indonesian Muslim woman — who was sentenced to a fine and flogging because she was caught having a glass of beer in the company if a man — Imam Faisal Rauf does not consider this punishment medieval, neither does he see it as an expression of “violence against women” and think that sharia should be abolished, but simply advocates a little less punishment:
But if the Pahang Syariah court insists on establishing a penalty for the mere consumption of alcohol, why not replace the current law — a maximum penalty of a RM5,000 fine and six lashes of the rotan — with spending RM5,000 on feeding the poor and fasting for six days? Wouldn’t that be more in keeping with the letter and spirit of the Quran and the Prophetic Sunnah?
It is about programs to prevent genital mutilation, counteracting violence against women, and organizing training of women (including media, leadership).
It seems that ASMA/WISE promotes with especially great agility the introduction of sharia, and manages thereby to completely fool the Dutch Ministry. “Leadership” also refers to ASMA’s highly controversial MLT program, led by imam Faisal Rauf and Daisy Khan. Alyssa Lappen writes concerning this program:
[…] the Muslim leaders of Tomorrow also includes radicals like Yasir Qadhi — a favorite speaker at conferences of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), and Dhaba “Debbie” Almontasser, who works closely with Hamas’ U.S. arm — the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), itself an unindicted co-conspirator in terror financing.
In a 2007 report, Militant Islam Monitor stated:
ASMA promotes jihad through da’wa and the Islamisation of the West by grooming “Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow” (MLT). At the Saudi backed 2006 MLT conference in Denmark “moderate” Islamists discussions of how to increase Muslim political and social influence was euphemistically termed “bridge building”.
The duration of the project is from 13 October 2008 to June 30, 2011.
As mentioned earlier, this is indeed consistent with the budget period in the Audit (October 13, 2008 to June 30, 2011).
Question 2: If yes, do you acknowledge that it is absurd to build a mosque right at Ground Zero and that this is also an insult to (the families of) the victims of 9-11? If not, why not?
Answer: See question 1
Question 3: If so, are you, given the offensive plan to build said mosque, willing to immediately withdraw the subsidy to ASMA? If not, why not?
Answer: No. Because there is no question of support for the construction of a mosque.
Given the above, the answer to question 3 is much too pertinent. The far-reaching financial and personal interdependence means that grants to ASMA/WISE directly or indirectly serve projects such as the Ground Zero mosque.
Daisy Khan of Cordoba Initiative and ASMA/WISE said in The Washington Post: “there is a ‘divine hand’ in the Ground Zero mosque project: ‘the building came to us’…it ‘will be symbolic’.
But the directors of ASMA/Cordoba Initiative who are subsidized by the Dutch MDG3 Fund have even deliberately looked for a controversial location for their bridge building.
The Star Online wrote in January: “The cleric admits that over the years, Islam has been perceived in the US as a national threat to security.” And this is why “the independent, multi-national initiative [The Cordoba Initiative/ASMA] deliberately sought a property near where the towers once stood”.
The withdrawal of the subsidy to ASMA, which focuses on promoting equal rights for women in countries such as among others Afghanistan, Pakistan and Egypt, is therefore not being considered.
Aaron Klein writes on ASMA:
In February, Obama named a Chicago Muslim, Eboo Patel, to his Advisory Council on Faith-based and Neighborhood Partnerships. Patel is the founder and executive director of Chicago-based Interfaith Youth Core, which says it promotes pluralism by teaming people of different faiths on service projects. Patel is listed as one of 15 “Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow” (MLT) on the website for the American Society for the Advancement of Muslims, or ASAM (ASMA), which is led by Rauf. In Patel’s 2007 book, “Saving Each Other, Saving Ourselves,” he recounts discussing with Rauf the future of Islam in the U.S. Rauf “understood the vision immediately and suggested that I visit him and his wife, Daisy Khan, at their home the following evening,” Patel recalled. Khan founded the ASAM with her husband and has aided him in his plans for the mosque near Ground Zero. “The living room of their apartment on the Upper West Side was set up like a mosque, with prayer rugs stretched from wall to wall,” wrote Patel in his book.
Raymond Ibrahim on the ME Forum:
Such, then, is the dual significance of the Cordoba Initiative: What appears to many Americans as a gesture of peace and interfaith dialogue, is to Muslims allusive of Islamist conquest and consolidation; mosques, which Americans assume are Muslim counterparts to Christian churches — that is, places where altruistic Muslims congregate and pray for world peace and harmony — are symbols of domination and centers of radicalization; the numbers of the opening date, 9/11/11, appear to Americans as commemorative of a new beginning, whereas the Koranic significance of those numbers is suicidal jihad. Of course, the two faces of the Cordoba House should not be surprising considering that the man behind the initiative, Feisal Abdul Rauf, also has two faces.
One face for Bert Koenders’ Millennium Development Goals, the other for the Muslim world?
Notes:
[1] Source Gates of Vienna “Is the Netherlands Subsidizing the Ground Zero Mosque?” — In May it was unveiled that the Netherlands was possibly involved in the Ground Zero mosque project: “Faisal Abdul Rauf [who wants to build the Ground Zero mosque] promotes the further advance of the Islam founded 1997 the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA). His wife Daisy Khan, born in Kashmir, has led the organization and its subsidiaries since 2005, including the Women’s Islamic Initiative in Spirituality and Equity (WISE). In 2009 ASMA was awarded a subsidy of €1,000,000 from the Dutch Millennium Development Goals Fund (MDG3) of the then Dutch Minister of Development Cooperation, Bert Koenders [PvdA, Labour Party, Socialists… It seems that the Netherlands, which has the dubious honor alongside Qatar as one of the largest public funders of the ASMA, is co-financing the planned “Ground Zero mosque; or at least has dirty hands.”
[2] Source: Articles of Incorporation of the The Cordoba Initiative, 20041191886 N, 05-26-2004, Colorado Secretary of Sate; the principal place of business mentioned is “New York 175 E, 96th Street, Suite 21T, New York, NY 10128”; the address of the ASMA Society.
The number of directors constituting the initial Board of Directors is four (4). The names and addresses of the persons who shall serve as the initial Board of Directors are as follows [Imam Feisal Rauf, John S. Benett, Daisy Khan, Julis Jitkoff]
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf
Director & Board Chair
P.O. Box 7376
North Bergen, N.J. 07047
Daisy Khan
Director
201 W. 85th Street, No. 10E (APT 10E)
New York, N.Y. 10024[3] The International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT), founded by the Muslim Brotherhood in 1981, is an Islamic “think tank” in the Washington area, dedicated to what it describes as “the Islamization of knowledge” [NRO].
The IIIT is co-editor of the American version of “Seruan Azan dari Puing WTC; Dakwah Islam die Jatung Amerika Pasca 9/11” (Prayer Call from the rubble of the World Trade Center; Islamic Da’wa in the heart of America post-9/11), written by Faisal Rauf. The cleaned up U.S. edition is called “What’s Right with Islam Is What’s Right with America”.
This IIIT has a far-reaching involvement in supporting Hamas, the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood which, according to their charter, has destroying Israel as ultimate goal. The IIIT is listed by the U.S. Department of Justice as co-conspirator in a crucial case concerning the financing of terrorism [by the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development].
Imam Faisal Rauf has more ties to controversial Islamic organizations. In 2007 for example, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf promoted his book “Seruan Azan dari Puing WTC” at a meeting in Bandung, Indonesia of Hizb ut Tahrir, a fascist Islamic organization with strives to establish the sharia globally and is banned in several countries. -
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The American Joint Multifaith Association was founded by Mr. Moin Ansari as a
reach out program with other faiths. Mr. Moin Ansari is the president of AJMA.
We are totally non-political and do not support any party or denomination.
We do not work with any one church or place of worship. We work with many
churhes, mosques and places of worship.
Our agenda is simple:
BUILD BRIDGES OF HARMONY WITH ALL FAITHS AND BUILD BETTER UDNERSTANDING BETWEEN
ALL FAITHS.
We reject all violence and decry any bigotry or racism or any discrimination
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[Atheism] (ExChristian.Net -- encouraging ex-Christians)By Marty Hamrick -- A big thanks to the creators of this site. I grew up in the heart of the Bible Belt southeastern US. My parents were very popular gospel singers who had a local TV show that aired in the Charleston, SC area in the 1950's and 60's so I grew up on the BUSINESS end of fundamentalist Christianity. My story is too lengthy to go into here, but suffice to say that even though I was never physically abused or sexually molested, religious indoctrination was a big part of life. At ...
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A big thanks to the creators of this site. I grew up in the heart of the Bible Belt southeastern US. My parents were very popular gospel singers who had a local TV show that aired in the Charleston, SC area in the 1950's and 60's so I grew up on the BUSINESS end of fundamentalist Christianity.
My story is too lengthy to go into here, but suffice to say that even though I was never physically abused or sexually molested, religious indoctrination was a big part of life.
At the time I was growing up in the 60's and 70's, fundy religion controlled everything from business practices (think Blue Laws) to education. It was an odd dichotomy to have an education standard that in many ways was very high (Language Arts and Math were big in the schools I attended, though Science was severely lacking) and in other ways stuck in the Dark Ages. I remember once in 3rd grade, we had a series of studies called SRA, forget what it stood for, but it was educational material that dealt with all subjects and one science packet had a chart that showed the ascent of man. I remember that myself and several other boys caught a glimpse of the chart and one said, "Cool, ape men." A teacher's aid quickly hid the chart away and we were told that the SRA packet was the wrong one and had been sent to our school by mistake. I would not see anything in public school that mentioned evolution until my senior year in high school and then only superficially( we had a brief mention of it in 7th grade and the local church groups had a fit about it, so that was crushed as well). Later that night, I mentioned the chart to my sister, who is 5 years older than myself and she turned milk white and told our mom about it ,who quickly told us that this chart was a lie and we were to forget all about it.
As the son of gospel singers who traveled all over the southeastern US playing churches of various denominations, I was exposed to all of fundy Christianity's many versions of insanity from mellow soft sell Baptists to tongue talking Pentacostalists. I remember during one performanance at the First Pentacostal Church of Mt.Pleasant, SC, my parents were playing a particularly fast song ( I think the title was "He will set your fields on fire," a tune made famous by Bill Monroe) a middle-aged man jumped up and began rolling in the aisle like he was having a seizure, and I was puzzled as to why no one was calling an ambulance to a man who obviously needed it. When I asked my parents about the incident, they told me that it was normal for them and they called it being "slain in the spirit." I was about 10 at the time and became convinced that these people were mentally ill.
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Kenneth Howell was booted from his job at the University of Illinois for teaching Catholicism. His job at the University of Illinois, as it happens, was teaching Catholicism.
After over two months of controversy over a firing that should have never have happened, he has been offered his job back. The incident exemplifies the scandals that continue at core institutions of our Western culture. It exposes, once again, the lie that is the popular conception of “tolerance,” so widely in vogue and by no coincidence a tenet of left-wing ideology.
#ad#Howell, who teaches an introductory survey of Catholic thought, was “removed from teaching classes,” as he told me recently, “for teaching that the Catholic faith teaches that homosexual acts are immoral.” In preparation for an exam, he had sent an e-mail to students that laid out Catholic beliefs on homosexuality. He wrote: “Natural Moral Law says that Morality must be a response to REALITY. In other words, sexual acts are only appropriate for people who are complementary, not the same.”
What Howell was teaching, of course, goes against the grain of an institution that focuses on indoctrination rather than education, on rhetoric rather than reason, on crafting feel-good bromides rather than searching for or even admitting the existence of any kind of truth.
Furthermore, when asked, Howell, a practicing Catholic, confessed that he even believes these things he teaches. This was all too much for one student, well schooled in the faux tolerance of the day. He complained to the administration and labeled Howell’s e-mail “hate speech.”
Howell was hired as an adjunct professor in the fall of 2001, because “they needed a teacher who was versed in Catholic history, philosophy, and theology,” he recalls. So much for that.
His firing, he tells me, “represents an egregious violation of my academic freedom and First Amendment rights to free speech.” He was completely blindsided: “I have never had any student complaints that I’ve known about, and I’ve been privileged to be recognized by the university for the quality of my teaching for each of the last four years.” Students and faculty rallying on Facebook and on campus to “Save Dr. Ken” attest to his popularity.
“All religion is an essential part of the human story,” he tells me, explaining why he became a religion professor in the first place. “The humanities are about humanity, and so everyone should study religion to understand humanity. No one’s education can be considered complete without the study of religion, whether one is personally religious or not. Further, the three great Abrahamic religions have been major forces in the history of the world and are still vibrant forces across the globe. To be ignorant of religion is to be ignorant of humanity.” Studying humanity, of course, is what university life should be about. After this fight, perhaps the University of Illinois’s campus will be a little more aware of its own tendencies toward ignorance. That’s a campus awareness trend that could afford to catch on.
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David French, a lawyer with the Alliance Defense Fund, which is representing Howell, underscores an important point: “Dr. Howell’s case illustrates the absolute intolerance that has long been emerging on campus towards any kind of dissent or disagreement against the prevailing sexual orthodoxy. It’s as if the university community views traditional Christian ethics as the moral equivalent of racism and treats Christians in the same way it would treat a white-sheeted bigot.”
#ad#This leads to a simplistic, wrongheaded view of faith. “Christianity is boxed in,” French argues. According to the caricature, dictated from the ivory tower, “the ‘good’ Christian serves the poor, is always nice to everybody, and -- above all -- never offers any form of moral judgment. The ‘bad’ Christian may also serve the poor, and may also be exceedingly kind, but if he or she upholds a biblical standard of sexual morality, then there is the risk of punitive action.”
“The university has become a religious sculptor,” French continues, “chipping away at the elements of Christianity it doesn’t like#...#until we are left with an image that no longer looks much like Jesus.”
In the face of this reality, and despite his battle scars, Howell will not shy away from what has been maligned as “hate speech.” Students need to know “natural moral law,” he tells me, because it “provides common ground for ethical reasoning and decision making. Not everyone will embrace the specifics of a religion, but everyone has access to nature, to human experience, and to conscience. We desperately need common ground to debate ethical issues today.”
Cries of “hate speech” just keep us in intellectual chains of our own forging.
Howell’s reinstatement is a great victory for him, his students, and academic freedom, but he could have very easily been “a casualty of campus ‘tolerance,’” as French points out. “It shouldn’t take lawyers, roughly 9,000 Facebook fans, and an avalanche of media coverage to guarantee the most basic academic freedom.”
— Kathryn Jean Lopez is editor-at-large of National Review Online. She can be reached at klopez@nationalreview.com.



